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05-21-2009, 09:48 PM | #23 |
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Nothing a $350 JB3 can't fix for far less money.
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And I just ordered my 135i. The 370Z is VERY fast and very poweful. It delivers it's power differently than the 135i, but it's all there still. The 128i is a sweet machine, but given the same driver the 370 will win accel tests. |
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05-22-2009, 12:10 AM | #26 |
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I own a 135i and I have driven the 370z. Of the cars mentioned in the review I would choose the 370z any day of the week. Period.
Not taking anything away from the 128i, the 370z is just on another level. Well done to Nissan for making such a great car. I'm very impressed. |
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I've always said that the 128/328 3.0 is an awesome and smooth engine that's willing to rev and pull. It's excellent for everyday fun.
The Z engine isn't as refined, but it revs just fine. This article seems to hard to try and diminish the Z's bit, especially compared to the 128i. But, the overall time to speed doesn't lie. What there is, is that the 128i "seems" or "feels" as fast due to how smooth and happy to rev it is, and that's what I love about the engine too. But, the Z is fast, 135i fast. You think you're going one speed until you look at the speedo and realize you're way over the ticket please zone. I couldn't figure out what options were on that 128i. I'm guessing it was simply sport pkg. given the "as tested" price. But, it was off by a couple hundred, and their base price is also off by $200. I hate it when they compare cars and don't list the mechanical spec's and mechanical options. Having or not having a sport pkg. makes difference. One more thing, I disagree with the review. Maybe the Z they drove had a poor example of the manual trans. I found the shifting to be quite nice and smooth in the Z, with a very nice defined gate. Overall, the BMW manual from the 1 and 3 feels very soft in shif feel, too soft, to the point where sometimes you wonder, "did it do into gear or not?" Yes, it does always go into gear, it won't fail you. But, I prefer a better defined gate. So, there personal preference that goes with these reviews too. Last edited by RPM90; 05-22-2009 at 08:50 AM.. |
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First, I do like nicely done FWD, and Honda makes some of the best. However, the Civic Si can't match the sport feel of a nicely done RWD. And, you Si doesn't come close to the ride quality, build quality, or materials quality of a 128i. And, your Si isn't much faster than a 128i if at all at WOT on a straightaway. You've got a 135i, right? Well, a 128i sport drives nearly identical to your 135i, and the 128i will probably have a wee bit better front end bite and feel due to having a better front to rear weight balance, as it's lighter in the front. I do agree that a 135i is the more true comparison to the Z and GT. But then, it just goes to show you how sweet the 128i truly is, and that's really what this article points out. |
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05-22-2009, 01:23 AM | #31 |
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I saw the Gensis on the road and it looked good I admit. The 370z is too much of a rehash of 350z. So many times I got excited and thought I saw one but then realize it's a 350z. There's no misplaced identity with the clown car and the pork belly side profile =) Man, then there's the Porsche Panaroma... what is that thing! The z3 is ahead of its time. I noticed so many body cues on that car which I see in new releases now. No wonder it was hated so much.
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Nice article, I have a 128i sport package I wouldn't give up my 128i up for any other car on the road (except maybe the 135 but I could never justify the additional $15K the 128i is that good)
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If that were the choice in the US, I'm sure a LOT of people would choose the 128i over the 135i, I know I would. All you're missing in the 128i is the raw power of the TT engine, but as you know, you've got all the refinement and capability and handling of the 135i. |
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There's actually "only" $7800 difference between the 128 and 135, that's base to base. And if you add the options that come standard on the 135 its probably only $3k-$4k difference. |
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If straight-line WOT is all that matters you don't buy a 128i, 135i, 370, etc - you buy a Mustang, Camaro, etc. |
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so 128i beats 370Z, while 370Z recently beat the new Z4 in CAR magazine. I'm really puzzled. I think the 370z is just a better car, very strange.... and I like the bimmer as much as the next man here, result seems a bit too subjective.
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The Civic Si is a nice sporty ride for the $ but other than value proposition (and versatility and space of the 4dr version) really none if its attributes can match the 128. I'd buy a GTI over the Si's torqueless wonder of a motor. S2000 doesn't sacrifice utility huh? I'm 5'8" and I felt like I was in a undersized coffin. Car and Driver did that comparison you want, 135i finished 2nd to the Z mostly due to the Zs dexterity around the track as I recall.: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...arison_test__1 This was a street/dd perspective test and the outcome didn't surprise me. I'm sure the trooper will understand your means of fun when you get pulled over doing a buck twenty. |
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Good article. I'm certain that teh 128i won this bout due to it getting the sports package and that lets face it, it's the best for day to day drive compared to the rest. It's so much more refined. Now if this was a race track bout for those 4 cars, I'm SURE the results would be a lot different.
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FYI, the Civic Si is SLOWER than a 128, by quite a bit I may add. It's a high 14 second car @ 95-96 MPH. I believe the 128s should do mid 14s around 98-99. You may want to do a bit more research before going on the defensive. FYI I've driven a 128 vert on a test drive (steptronic though) and extended time with a 08 328. Both were absolute slugs in comparison. And to all the others who ask why I didn't go muscle? The 135 has the total package. Build quality, daily drivable suspension, cheap mod upgrade path, powertrain smoothness and the BMW label.
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This video is pretty old, so I apologize if it's a repost.
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is that before or after the warranty is voided. to each his own...
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So you test drove a 128 that's 320lbs. heavier and a full second slower to 60 (with the step on 16s most likely) and that's what your informed assesments were based on? I'm still waiting to hear how the S2000 doesn't sacrifice utility, one too many Smirnoff Ices maybe?...whatever your comments here have made little to no sense whatsoever. For the record your Si is a low 15s car.
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Part of the reason why I bought a 135 over a 370z is because nobody would dare compare a 135 to any box with wheels made by hyundai. The other reason is that I absolutely love the way the bmw looks and drives. I'm one of the few people who actually prefers the look of the 1 series to that of the 3.
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