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How would the M-division tune the 1M?
If they had unlimited funds? Or more funds…
Its a thought that pass my mind considering all the tuning going on. Many things I think risk killing the 1M "feel" and spirit. So would be quite interesting to ask some people in the M-division what they would modify/improve… Plans they had but cancelled due to funds or production line issues... Thoughts? |
05-03-2012, 05:00 PM | #2 |
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BMW M2 will be BMW's weapon of choice for answering your query.
"The time window for this car [was] extremely tight and originally enthusiasm was not apparent until Dr. Kay Segler came to the M Division.Additional 1M development info (repost): "Development of the engine. "Expert dialogue: Why is the BMW 1 Series M Coupé supplied with the Michelin Pilot Sport 2 ex works instead of the current successor product, the Michelin Pilot Super Sport?
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It would have been neat if the car came with the modified E46 CSL engine mentioned in the article!
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Yes that was interesting information. Planned to be N55 but due to valvetronic issues and time they Went N54. The new M3 will be N55. Guess something like tri turbo? Also read that the new M3 will be a lot of carbon. Wonder what cosmetic tuning M would have done on the 1M with a bit more time? Carbon?
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05-04-2012, 01:26 AM | #5 |
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I think they might have done a bit more tuning with the traction control in the default setting and maybe better work on the documentation. My manual still says I have a high performance V8! I don't know what else they might have added except for an automatic transmission. I think the time and budget constraints are what made the 1M special. It forced ///M to focus on the most important parts....plenty of power, excellent braking, good handling, good sound and fun. It did not become as diluted as the M3 has with manual, automatic, convertible, 2 door, 4-door, electronic suspension, automatics, manuals, etc etc. They just focused on the basics and that is what is magical about this project. The fact that most hard core fans would want a manual made them focus on that and the shifting feel is outstanding on this car. The clutch is great even with the CDV. While the next generation 1M will probably perform better with with more development time and money, it will still lack the charm of this 1M. I am certain it will have a manual and automatic option so anyone can drive one. At least this one, you have to know how to drive a stick and want to do it.
Sometimes people's best work comes when they have limited time and money and they have to focus on what really matters and I feel this is the case here. You know the P-51 Mustang was developed in a rush during WWII and I believe it was the fastest ever design-to-production aircraft to that day and yet it became the greatest fighter ever made according to many......oh and it didn't have a bespoke motor either, they ended up borrowing the Merlin engine from the Spitfire. So I'm sure the next generation will be better on paper but it won't have the charm for me that this one does despite the numbers. |
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I personally think they would have considered more lightweight materials. Carbon roof. Opened up the vents around the sidemarkers and the parts in the back that they fitted the ugly black plastic (left/right). Maybe a better FMIC etc.
Pretty sure they would have created more BMW performance carbon options if the production cycle would have been longer: * Carbon kidneys * BMW Performance exhaust with carbon tips * BMW performance upgraded FMIC * BMW Performance optimized shortshifter for 1M But agree that maybe not so much more in performance and handling. Its really excellent as is! (still dont get people messing with that Before even taking the car for many track events and really feeling the M-division did a bad job) |
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They'd have made it lighter.
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Imo it is the greatest car ever. But 50k for a 9 year old car was just too much. So I went for the 1M instead not that I regret it. But still I miss the sound of the csl
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I don't think they would. Every new //M car (or even AG car) has been getting more and MORE portly. Can you name a new modern day M car that is lighter than the earlier model? I think what //M might have done is this... CF roof CF fenders Some sort of hood styling M designed seats EDC "tuned" suspension, instead of using M3 parts bin tech. DTC+Plus (maybe two programs) 2x's M buttons - like on the new M5 (programable modes) bigger brakes DCT option and more (classic M)color choices N55 with 450 PS like the new (F80) M3 will have. Well... that is just a guess - but some of you might remember my laptop screen shot(!) |
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FWIW, added additional 1M development info in my post above.
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...27&postcount=2 Skip reading if you knew the (reposted) info already from earlier posts.
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I have to disagree with two of the points you made: First is the brakes, who ever needed bigger brakes in the 1M, they might be the particularly strong point of the car. Second, the DCT, I think the 1M project (which worked very well at the end) is all about "opting out" some newer technology, first and foremost might be the DCT. Cheers, |
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^^I'm just saying IF //M was given the money/budget... surely they would have made the 1M even more special than it already is. More powerfull and faster with more features. //M would want the 1M to appeal to the broadest market(s), surely a DCT would be in the plans. I am sure the next M2 will have a DCT along with other class leading equipment.
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I'm not sure what is meant by them having more budget, but they had to have a business plan for whatever they did, and the biggest obvious constraint was that they could not make it more expensive than M3! They also would not want to make it obviously "better" than the M3 (tho I like it better!) I think more time and flexibility in budget would only have yielded DCT...
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