428i while 135 in the shop

[whitebimmer09]

So when I dropped off my 135 to get some problems fixed they gave me a 428i to drive, and I am not impressed. It's funny when I saw that they were giving me that I was like, oh cool, but after driving a few minutes I was not impressed. It's solid like a new car should be, not like my 68000 mile 1er, but the steering is boring, the engine sounds stupid, and there is no excitement in this car. It feels fat. I will say that that 4 cylinder engine is pretty impressive though, feels pretty quick...

That being said, the 428i has the M package so it has all the sport bells and whistles but without the bigger engine. More performance would not make this a better, more fun to drive car.

It is funny how much I like the 135. Although my car's natural habitat is either a gas station or a BMW garage, it has the excitement that this is missing.
I also like the simple cabin of mine, no sport, comfort, sport plus econ mode. I just start it and drive (if it wants to start).

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by whitebimmer09

So when I dropped off my 135 to get some problems fixed they gave me a 428i to drive, and I am not impressed. It's funny when I saw that they were giving me that I was like, oh cool, but after driving a few minutes I was not impressed. It's solid like a new car should be, not like my 68000 mile 1er, but the steering is boring, the engine sounds stupid, and there is no excitement in this car. It feels fat. I will say that that 4 cylinder engine is pretty impressive though, feels pretty quick...

That being said, the 428i has the M package so it has all the sport bells and whistles but without the bigger engine. More performance would not make this a better, more fun to drive car.

It is funny how much I like the 135. Although my car's natural habitat is either a gas station or a BMW garage, it has the excitement that this is missing.
I also like the simple cabin of mine, no sport, comfort, sport plus econ mode. I just start it and drive (if it wants to start).

yeah the new 3s and 4s ALL feel that boring....i've driven the 328 and the 335 and was bored out of my mind in both. The 335 felt like a faster version of boring!! lol. I've driven the 228 and it is just rubbish.....feels like a VW to drive. Numb and lifeless.

The 1ers are the last somewhat organic BMWs we are likely to see for the time being......

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by whitebimmer09

So when I dropped off my 135 to get some problems fixed they gave me a 428i to drive, and I am not impressed. It's funny when I saw that they were giving me that I was like, oh cool, but after driving a few minutes I was not impressed. It's solid like a new car should be, not like my 68000 mile 1er, but the steering is boring, the engine sounds stupid, and there is no excitement in this car. It feels fat. I will say that that 4 cylinder engine is pretty impressive though, feels pretty quick...

That being said, the 428i has the M package so it has all the sport bells and whistles but without the bigger engine. More performance would not make this a better, more fun to drive car.

It is funny how much I like the 135. Although my car's natural habitat is either a gas station or a BMW garage, it has the excitement that this is missing.
I also like the simple cabin of mine, no sport, comfort, sport plus econ mode. I just start it and drive (if it wants to start).

To be fair, u drive a lighter , funner car + higher performance engine.
No wonder you are going to be disappointed in the 428 driving experience.
I find that in terms of driving experience the 1 series is just amazing.

[Mach1er]

Yeah, I had a 535i while my 1er was in the shop last week with all the bells and whistles, including M-sport. Even in Sport+ it the steering just feels flat. I found myself over-steering in a hard corner because it was so disconnected to what the car would willingly do. Granted, the 5 is huge compared to a 1, but it just felt so blah. Loved the new LED high and low beams, though.

[Overpar56]

I had a 435ix for a few days over the 4th holiday. Not impressed. Power was ok but vague steering, as many new BMWs have, would be a deal killer for me. It's stickered for over $50k as this one wasn't optioned a lot, but it was pretty bland. Lots out there for a lot less and more fun.

[crex]

It's the eps. I hate the new steering.

[RoundelM3]

I have an F30 335i M-Sport 8AT with DHP, MPE, and MPPK. The electrically-assisted steering on mine feels fine, especially in Sport mode - very tight and accurate. Some say the MPPK install also included a separate software update to correct problems with steering feel, and since I had mine installed within a month of taking delivery, I can't recall whether or not mine felt different from my previous E92 or my wife's 128i M-Sport. The 3/4 series is a different animal from the 1, just like the 5 and 7, although the 5 was the first to get the EPS and it was indeed dismal. That said, the new M3/M4 has EPS and nobody's complained about it yet. I think a lot of people seem to perceive that EPS is "drive-by-wire", and that is completely incorrect. It's just an electric motor providing the assist rather than hydraulic pressure; there's still a direct connection between the steering wheel and the steering rack. I haven't had any issues with steering feel or performance, and I prefer my 335i for longer trips and carrying friends and family when the occasion arises. The 128i is the sportier and lighter (only by 250 lbs, though) choice for back roads and more spirited driving.

[whitebimmer09]

The 8 speed seems excessive, I feel like it's constantly shifting. I can't complain about the mpgs, cruising at 60 was giving me 40 mpgs.
I think the price is way to much, optioned out its at like 47k. I couldn't see paying that much for a car like this. But,someone did, BMW just called me and said that they sold my rental and they are sending someone out to swap out cars... I thought it was pretty strange. I would Never purchase a loaner BMW, I've been driving it like I stole it and it only has 100 miles on it, hope it doesn't have a break in period.

[Worra]

Originally Posted by crex

It's the eps. I hate the new steering.

So much of this. It's terrible. Anyone driven the F80 M3 yet?

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by whitebimmer09

I would Never purchase a loaner BMW, I've been driving it like I stole it and it only has 100 miles on it, hope it doesn't have a break in period.

Wow...very classy. BMW must love having you as a customer, especially when loaning you a brand-new car for free. FYI, most buyers don't pay sticker price for their BMWs, although I'm sure there are some who do. I certainly didn't, and I also don't "flog" the loaners they've given me the few times my cars have been in for service.

Of course, your post may have been tongue-in-cheek...but I've seen a lot of other similar ones and I just have to wonder if there are really that many self-centered people out there.

[edisapimp]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Wow...very classy. BMW must love having you as a customer, especially when loaning you a brand-new car for free. FYI, most buyers don't pay sticker price for their BMWs, although I'm sure there are some who do. I certainly didn't, and I also don't "flog" the loaners they've given me the few times my cars have been in for service.

Of course, your post may have been tongue-in-cheek...but I've seen a lot of other similar ones and I just have to wonder if there are really that many self-centered people out there.

Class notwithstanding, I'm sure that BMW know when loaning a car, brand new or otherwise, that there is a chance it will be driven by their customers at the very least with the same level of aggression as the car that is in for service, and at the very most like a rental from Avis. If BMW is concerned about the cars they loan out being broken in properly, they probably wouldn't loan them out. I presume that's why loaners are so much cheaper to buy than new cars.

Also I would presume to say that you are in the minority of people who don't "flog" cars that aren't theirs when they have the opportunity to drive them. Just my $.02 (one of the self-centered people.)

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Wow...very classy. BMW must love having you as a customer, especially when loaning you a brand-new car for free. FYI, most buyers don't pay sticker price for their BMWs, although I'm sure there are some who do. I certainly didn't, and I also don't "flog" the loaners they've given me the few times my cars have been in for service.

Of course, your post may have been tongue-in-cheek...but I've seen a lot of other similar ones and I just have to wonder if there are really that many self-centered people out there.

#1: don't ever buy a BMW loaner
#2: rental cars, loaner cars, etc = ALWAYS get flogged.

if you don't do it-----many, many others will anyways. So you might as well

[whitebimmer09]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Wow...very classy. BMW must love having you as a customer, especially when loaning you a brand-new car for free. FYI, most buyers don't pay sticker price for their BMWs, although I'm sure there are some who do. I certainly didn't, and I also don't "flog" the loaners they've given me the few times my cars have been in for service.

Of course, your post may have been tongue-in-cheek...but I've seen a lot of other similar ones and I just have to wonder if there are really that many self-centered people out there.

Lol. That's good for you. You give me a loaner car I'm going to drive how a BMW is meant to be driven. I think the point of them doing that is to tempt you to purchasing something different. You give a car with a sport + button I am going to push it and that button at the bottom of the pedal. I'm sure if they were concerned they would have a partnership with a car rental company and give me a Toyota corolla.
Didn't you see the top gear where Jeremy clarkson said the fastest car on the planet was a rental car??

[135ivert]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Wow...very classy. BMW must love having you as a customer, especially when loaning you a brand-new car for free. FYI, most buyers don't pay sticker price for their BMWs, although I'm sure there are some who do. I certainly didn't, and I also don't "flog" the loaners they've given me the few times my cars have been in for service.

Of course, your post may have been tongue-in-cheek...but I've seen a lot of other similar ones and I just have to wonder if there are really that many self-centered people out there.

Don't make it sound like they're doing you a favor by giving you a loaner car. Things like that are built into the cost of the car or the service.

Whether or not you agree with him the fact remains that there are people like that - that's why you don't buy ex-rental cars or loaners.

[angler]

I think its about being respectful. You should treat the loaner like you would want someone to treat your car. Just because the loaner might be part of the cost of buying a BMW or not is no reason for people to be disrespectful of property thats not theirs. Just my opinion,

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by angler

I think its about being respectful. You should treat the loaner like you would want someone to treat your car. Just because the loaner might be part of the cost of buying a BMW or not is no reason for people to be disrespectful of property thats not theirs. Just my opinion,

Thanks...your opinion is shared by more than the "entitled" generations realize. They'll figure it out sooner or later, though. When my F30 was a week late arriving, my dealer loaned me a brand-new 640i Gran Coupe for a week because they knew I wasn't going to go out and drive the piss out of it. Getting a DWHUA in someone else's $85K car isn't the smartest move in the book. Did I check it out to see what it'd do? Sure...for about 20 minutes, after which I cruised the rest of the way home (100 miles one-way), drove it briskly (but not abusively) for several days, and even took a parade lap at a special event at COTA before returning to pick up my new car. I offered to fill it up, but they said it wasn't necessary. You don't get that type of customer trust by being selfishly irresponsible. Would I buy that car if I could afford it? Hell yeah - it wasn't loaned to just every Joe Customer.

Oh yeah - the speed limits in that part of TX were as high as 85MPH on some roads, and I wasn't slacking - but I wasn't street-racing it, either.

[whitebimmer09]

They gave me a loaner with dog hair in it, you want to talk about disrespectful, putting a pet in a loaner would be much worse than someone putting their foot into it. No big deal, not ramping a car or smashing over bumps.

They know you are going to floor these things, no big deal, I got my car back with 10 more miles on it, who knows about what they did. Also, they put it through the BMW car wash after me telling them not to. The car that they originally gave me had 100 miles on it and already had spider scratches on it from their car wash. The manager said it was 4 years since they replaced the brushes. That's not abuse right?

Want to talk about abuse? How do you think the people who work there drive them. You do a transfer and they bash them around.

[Mach1er]

Originally Posted by whitebimmer09

They gave me a loaner with dog hair in it, you want to talk about disrespectful, putting a pet in a loaner would be much worse than someone putting their foot into it. No big deal, not ramping a car or smashing over bumps.

They know you are going to floor these things, no big deal, I got my car back with 10 more miles on it, who knows about what they did. Also, they put it through the BMW car wash after me telling them not to. The car that they originally gave me had 100 miles on it and already had spider scratches on it from their car wash. The manager said it was 4 years since they replaced the brushes. That's not abuse right?

Want to talk about abuse? How do you think the people who work there drive them. You do a transfer and they bash them around.

When my dealer accidentally washed my car after me telling them not to I made a right fuss of it because I had the full Zaino system on the perfect paint. I got a free tank of gas for my troubles and a permanent note on my dealer profile about car washes. My SA hasn't forgotten since.

The 535i loaner I got had spider webbing in the paint, 9k miles on the clock, and was a quart low on oil. The dealer doesn't take care of their cars, either. I hope whoever ends up buying it gets a hefty discount on the $66k sticker.

[cvandenhaute]

This whole conversation kinda pisses me off: even when I rent a car (aka I pay for renting it), I pay attention about it, because I respect cars, I just do. Even more so the loaners they give me for free (and as a result my SA always tries to please me every time he has something nicer to choose from). All the other dealerships make you pay for loaners (at least VW and Mazda since they are the only ones with BMW that I have experience with in the US). It makes me angry to read all kind of justifications as for why you can or cannot abuse a loaner they don't have to give. The more people will abuse loaners, the less likely we will have free loaners in the future

[Overpar56]

I make sure the start stop feature is active, leave it in drive, stop 20 secs at each stop sign so I can experience the paint shaker effect, and never exceed the speed limit. I also make sure I overfill the gas tank. I also wash and wax the exterior and steam the carpets on the loaner. I do this because I'm that kind of guy.

[jkoral]

Originally Posted by Mach1er

The 535i loaner I got had spider webbing in the paint, 9k miles on the clock, and was a quart low on oil. The dealer doesn't take care of their cars, either.

The F30 328i I got had 3K miles and didn't feel like a new car.

[bmw1racer]

Originally Posted by angler

I think its about being respectful. You should treat the loaner like you would want someone to treat your car. Just because the loaner might be part of the cost of buying a BMW or not is no reason for people to be disrespectful of property thats not theirs. Just my opinion,

I agree.

The Jet Black 328i that I got as a loaner for three days was sorta dirty inside and out, so I washed and vacuumed it.... Force of habit.