My other ride...

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by Daniel135i

I have been driving this car for over 5 years like this, I know how to drive it, evident that not once have I been in a wreck either on the track or off in the hills.

What tracks have you driven it on? Did you use a wider track tire?

[Daniel135i]

Ive driven at Carolina Motorsports park, Roebling Road,and Road Atlanta a bit, as well as some lesser tracks in Upstate NY, my home.

Wider track tires, the max we have used was 17x8, any larger and they will rub the suspension.

[Daniel135i]

Originally Posted by Evice

pff I am not trying to rain on his parade. we are just exchanging ideas.

The reason I responded was because of your sentence where you mentioned

"I dont overstear at all and I hardly ever understear"

I didn't claim your car handles worse than 1er. I'd expect that since it is modified versus a stock-ish 135.. But there is no way your car doesn't oversteer or understeer with those skinny looking tires...Your contact patch looks like slim and with almost 500 HP on front wheels your car can EASILY understeer. You can't make me believe otherwise. You are either not going fast enough, or standing still. Every car follows basic physics tire adhesion etc. Peace.

Its easy, I drive it to the limits I know the car can handle. Of course these are skinnier tires than on a rwd car, cant do much about that but put spacers and longer wheel studs with tearing into the fender walls to boot.

The car does what the driver wants it to do, if I dont want understear, I dont. I hold the line with the speed I need to carry maximum acceleration through a corner with the equipment that is at my control, nothing more.

You can understear, and overstear any car in the world, anyone can. Once you learn the machine, its the driver that controls the car, not the other way around.

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by Daniel135i

Its called - proper modifications... These SRT-4s are not known to torque steer much from stock anyways with the ACR package.

Just because another car does, doesn't mean they all do... Believe it or not.

Stop fooling yourself.

[BoostAddict]

nice car, neon's actually handle very well. even the old 1st gen neon's registered over .90 g's on the skip pad with the crappy economy tires they came with.

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by Daniel135i

Ive driven at Carolina Motorsports park, Roebling Road,and Road Atlanta a bit, as well as some lesser tracks in Upstate NY, my home.

Wider track tires, the max we have used was 17x8, any larger and they will rub the suspension.

Sweet...same tracks I have been on (you were stationed at Warner Robbins I assume?).

Originally Posted by Daniel135i

Its easy, I drive it to the limits I know the car can handle. Of course these are skinnier tires than on a rwd car, cant do much about that but put spacers and longer wheel studs with tearing into the fender walls to boot.

The car does what the driver wants it to do, if I dont want understear, I dont. I hold the line with the speed I need to carry maximum acceleration through a corner with the equipment that is at my control, nothing more.

You can understear, and overstear any car in the world, anyone can. Once you learn the machine, its the driver that controls the car, not the other way around.

What he says is true....just think about it...you always read that the 1er understeers....well I know that the understeer they are referring to RARELY happens in everyday driving...even if you take an off/on ramp at fast speeds. The only time I have seen it is at the track and even then you can control it a bit with your corner entry speeds and the line you take even though it will cut down on your lap times....so taking the car to the limit before you know understeer will intervene is driving the car within the limits of what your suspension/tires can handle. Like he said ANY car could understeer/oversteer depending on conditions-speed, tires, suspension, curve angle, etc, etc....

[radiantm3]

I don't think enough photos were posted in this thread.

Originally Posted by adrean8j

What he says is true....just think about it...you always read that the 1er understeers....well I know that the understeer they are referring to RARELY happens in everyday driving...even if you take an off/on ramp at fast speeds. The only time I have seen it is at the track and even then you can control it a bit with your corner entry speeds and the line you take even though it will cut down on your lap times....so taking the car to the limit before you know understeer will intervene is driving the car within the limits of what your suspension/tires can handle. Like he said ANY car could understeer/oversteer depending on conditions-speed, tires, suspension, curve angle, etc, etc....

If that's the case then no car understeers/oversteers if you drive before reaching limits. My mom's Lexus ES300 is a perfectly balanced car...the way she drives.

[bradford]

Originally Posted by Daniel135i

Front wheel drive is so much more controllable than rwd in twisters (as far as this car goes anyways). I dont overstear at all and I hardly ever understear

Holy crap this is comedy gold.

[MarkR171]

If you aren't getting any under or oversteer, you aren't driving fast enough.

Any car is neutral and handles like it's on rails... to a point.

[gyrfalcon]

Nice car man, and although I doubt any terrorists frequent 1addicts, have you heard of OPSEC/INFOSEC...? This thread alone has name, rank, specialty, branch, awards, service period, hometown, the building you work in, your two cars, photo id, your family's photo, license plate number, and a dedication to fast automobiles. Might want to tone it down a tad.

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by MarkR171

If you aren't getting any under or oversteer, you aren't driving fast enough.

Any car is neutral and handles like it's on rails... to a point.

Ok...if you are driving TOO fast and you understeer in a curve then you are slower than someone who comes into a curve slower and does not understeer (given the same car, same setup, etc, etc...)....so in essence you ARE driving fast enough if you can get the car to stick without understeer.

[MarkR171]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

Ok...if you are driving TOO fast and you understeer in a curve then you are slower than someone who comes into a curve slower and does not understeer (given the same car, same setup, etc, etc...)....so in essence you ARE driving fast enough if you can get the car to stick without understeer.

Depends

Both examples are true.

[Daniel135i]

Originally Posted by gyrfalcon

Nice car man, and although I doubt any terrorists frequent 1addicts, have you heard of OPSEC/INFOSEC...? This thread alone has name, rank, specialty, branch, awards, service period, hometown, the building you work in, your two cars, photo id, your family's photo, license plate number, and a dedication to fast automobiles. Might want to tone it down a tad.

There is nothing p[osted here that you cannot get from any public website that has to do with my job... The local base website has tons of names, ranks and duty positions. It doesnt matter, that is not the opsec you are taught to be carefull with, that would be deployments/excercises, troop numbers and specialized information.

Thanx for the concern though.

[Daniel135i]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Stop fooling yourself.

Its called equal length half shafts, and an LSD... most fwd cars are standard with offset length half shafts, this seriously negates equal tq being applied to both drive wheels at the same time. As well as not having an lsd, same thing, so both overly dramatize the situation. Than you can account for other suspension modificaions in there to help out as well.

Dont fool yourself, into thinking every car is built equally, and handles the same.

[Yes2m3cs]

Nice car man....I used to own a new SRT-4 back in 2004..fun little car

Brian

[fatjoez]

lol mate i have never seen this many pictures of ANY CAR, let alone a dodge lol

[Daniel135i]

Eh, had them all in once place.... compilation of a stretch of 3-4 years, mostly newer pics from when I got my Nikon D5000. Had to break in the camera too.

[1ottawa]

op doesn't get it

Steer + power on fronts
vs
steer AND power on fronts and rear.


Yes we admit you have a nicely modified car.

But no, please don't say physics is different on your car than others.

A well modified FWD will do WELL. A well modified RWD will eat any FWD alive, that's a fact. Or they'd be making fwd F1s..

[Freakazoid]

Originally Posted by 1ottawa

op doesn't get it

Steer + power on fronts
vs
steer AND power on fronts and rear.


Yes we admit you have a nicely modified car.

But no, please don't say physics is different on your car than others.

A well modified FWD will do WELL. A well modified RWD will eat any FWD alive, that's a fact. Or they'd be making fwd F1s..

+1

[JB135MDCT]

Dan is a #s man, all that power with stock half shafts and gear box, and trying to educate us on FWD mechanics. Why upgrade to a 135 if your FWD is so perfect? Can't argue with some one who swaps modules for a living. I'd rather argue with my nonsensical girlfriend.

[Daniel135i]

Originally Posted by 1ottawa

op doesn't get it

Steer + power on fronts
vs
steer AND power on fronts and rear.


Yes we admit you have a nicely modified car.

But no, please don't say physics is different on your car than others.

A well modified FWD will do WELL. A well modified RWD will eat any FWD alive, that's a fact. Or they'd be making fwd F1s..

So your saying all fwd cars in the Challenge series shouldt be there becasue the rwds are just going to win becasue they have rwd.... I have to beg to differ... Your logic is beyond ignorant.

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Dan is a #s man, all that power with stock half shafts and gear box, and trying to educate us on FWD mechanics. Why upgrade to a 135 if your FWD is so perfect? Can't argue with some one who swaps modules for a living. I'd rather argue with my nonsensical girlfriend.

Dont down talk my modifications on what I have donw and what I have not done becasue you do not know what you are talking about. Obviously when it comes to the specifications and the durability of the parts on the car, your speculating to create your own argument base out of nothing but a desire to create controversy.

The stock half shafts do NOT need to be changed, they hold over 700whp/tq... why the hell would I need to go out and spend nearly a grand to replace them, same goes with the transmission???? Educate yourself with the specs of the SRT-4 before you make unfounded comments.

I bought the 135i becasue I wanted a new car , and I liked it, whats it to you. why do you buy the food you do?

And dont quote about my job if you dont have the first clue what i do for a living, it just compounds your ignorance.

Have a nice day.

[AussieRacer]

Man you are so right. I truly wish every car was FWD as the bean counters definitely got it right on this one. FWD rocks!

...unless you try to accelerate and steer at the same time, but who does that?!? Bring on the FWD revolution boys