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Thx for the much encouraging update, PainKillaMaan. Good to hear pricing may be decent, as well as the upgradability feature.
Quick question for the Ohlins folks - in their view, how many miles can you log in before they need to be rebuilt (granted a lot will depend on track/road usage)? For reference, for the Ohlins MotorSport Kit I have on my other car (sold through STaSIS), Ohlins recommends that they be rebuilt every 2yrs/12k (at an approximate cost of $400 for a complete rebuild, not factoring shop charges and shipping both ways). That may be a bit aggressive as far as timeframe as most people go well into 30K+ miles before a rebuilt becomes necessary. The suspension is so great that I just consider that the price to 'pay to play'. Would be useful to know what they think about this kit.
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Yes, we have developed a complete TTX kit (TTX46 front strut and TTX36 rear damper)for the E92 M3. It is sold as a competition product, not a street product. That being said, many enthusiasts still will go ahead and and install motorsport product on their vehicles even though it is sold as a 'competition use only product' with the understanding that it will require increased maintenance over a standard aftermarket replacement suspension. Just because a suspension carries a heavy price tag, doesn't mean it is maintenance free. This 'kit' that you speak of is born of 'MOTORSPORT' parts and will not carry a warranty either, as it is NOT a Road & Track kit. Being a motorsport product, it will only be available through approved Ohlins 'Motorsport' dealers. Quote:
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Bottom line, Ohlins makes a great product and so does Performance Shock. At the end of the day, our goal is to provide enthusiasts with a product that is second to none. We are one of Ohlins USA's largest automotive dealers and we stand behind the product and will continue to push the brand into new markets. Thanks for your time. |
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From what Jeff Baucam told me from Ohlins is that if a shop customizes a TTX setup (for instance, uses an M3 setup for a 1M), the shop takes responsibility for the warranties. And this goes without saying...the shops are usually great about warrantying their work. I didn't mean to step on any toes or misrepresent anything; so I'm sorry if it seemed like I spoke for you. That wasn't my intention at all. And when I said that about "using for their TTX lines as well"; I wasn't trying to imply that 1M development was going to improve any of the other TTX series, it would just give them a better idea of how to create setups specifically for the 1M. Most everthing else (I think anyway), we're on the same page. Again, sorry if I misstated something. I wasn't trying to. I've been working with these guys for a while (both for motorcycle and 1M work). I'm not claiming to be a know-iot-all by any means...they're the experts and I just regurgitate things that I'm allowed to repeat Sometimes, I may not even get that totally right! lol Thanks for the extra info...I think a lot of people are looking forward in seeing what comes out for the 1M, especially if it gives them more options than the standard track driven TTX series. I know that I am! |
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We should have our kit (1M) released for sale within the next couple of weeks for the 1M. HP Autoworks is a Raceline dealer. M3 kit is available now.
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Cool. Yeah, so this should be something different and you will be able to order it as a 1M specific kit from Ohlins soon. Call Jeff and he will tell you what we're working on. This should be fully warrantied direct from Ohlins.
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I am fully aware of the kit that they are working on....it's slated to be a Motorsport kit, it is not Road & Track. And it will be 1M specific as will ours.
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OK, now I'm confused.
My understanding was that Ohlins "Road and Track" was very different than the motorsports based products. Per Ohlins own website and what I'd gathered, I'd thought that R&T were: 1. Single adjustable ("Damping rate on the R&T units is fully adjustable and ties compression and rebound together as a matched setting") http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/...hlins-concept/ 2. Use this "Dual Flow Valve" system ("The new Öhlins R&T range uses DFV technology on every single fitment"). http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/en/the-technology/ The DFV pics in the link look a lot like a regular shim stack, etc, but with the added orange bit designed to increase the digression at high shock speeds? 3. Less expensive and designed for street use. They are street legal, tuned for more comfort on the way to the track, and do not need rebuilds as often. 4. Lower performance: given that they are single adjustable, probably have higher seal friction to enable the longer time between rebuilds, etc, I assume they can't match a motorsports based kit. They come with springs they are matched to, so you can't select and tune your own spring rates. All of which adds up to something that like shock for the E90 BMW 3 series in this PDF: http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/...3-series_2.pdf http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/en/product-range/ So I thought I'd understood... Then I saw these, also listed as "Road and Track" for the GT3 RS: http://www.roadandtrackbyohlins.com/...he_gt3rs_1.pdf That's obviously the motorsports based shock. It says double adjustable, etc. But it's sold as "Road and Track"... So what's the deal? Is "Road and Track" just a marketing name, or are there actual difference on those TTXs that make them need rebuilds less often, etc? Just as important, what is Ohlins working on for the 1M, one of those TTX based solutions (which I have to assume will be more expensive at least) or something like the other R&T shocks (single adjustable, etc)? The TTX based solutions that are currently available, is there anything that can be done to make them more "streetable" (primarily meaning longer time between rebuild)? Those systems run around 5k, I'm guessing, if you go for the less adjustable versions?
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No, TTX is a motorsport product. Street use is certainly possible with more frequent rebuids and service. TTX kits starts at $7500 for 2-way, $8500 for 3-way and $9500 for 4-way. You will still need to source your own camber plates, springs and height adjusters, which will set you back another $1000 or so. Last edited by HP Autosport; 03-03-2012 at 11:57 AM.. |
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On a technical note, this page gives a great explanation of what Ohlins uses that shaker rig for, and why it's awesome that they had a 1M on there to measure: http://www.ohlinsusa.com/us/index.ph...hicle-dynamics
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Most if not all here are waiting for the R&T product. TTX is not a street setup at all.
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I'm certainly waiting to see what materializes on the R&T side. I don't think the car can compete in A-Stock; my friend has an A-Stock Cayman with custom Ohlins from PSI, and from what we can see it will be a rare course where the 1M could be quicker. Given that, I'm not looking for the adjust-ability of the TTX based systems. The R&T seems the move for me, group buy?
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It'll depend on the final price, I'm sure- no chance if it's TTX based. How many people would be needed do you think- 5, 10?
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