[mundo74]

With cars like the IS and G handing BMW its ass, I think they will have to respond sooner that later. Its great that they can wring out 255 Hp from a 3.0 but others are displaying much more HP for less money. Even the Accord and Camrys have 260s nowadays. I know there are many that will say HP doesn't matter (much like girls saying size does not matter ) but this is the US with heavy focus on HP numbers. I think in this marketplace the 325i at the current price should offer the minimum 255 Hp and the 330i in the low 300s. Pretty soon the G37will run circles around us and all the other Japs who are catching up.

[BenMW]

Next time look at the previous threads about the new model changes...Its in the General section right where you started this thread

[Saosin17]

bmw isnt jsut about horsepower and speed. its an overall package. when the g35 sedan or is350 can keep up with the bmw in a day to day situation on windy roads you can say this maybe, but as far as now, i, along with every publication i have read prefers the bmw to its competitiors despite horsepower. if straight line speed is what you want go for the is, if a great sport sedan is stick to bmw

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by BenMW

Next time look at the previous threads about the new model changes...Its in the General section right where you started this thread

Does it say anything about what is coming stateside? and thank you for pointing me to that thread.

[abc]

but you would think the HP thing is the easiest and most basic of things to be tops on. i think that's the mentality (sadly or fortunately) bmw has to learn how to play with.

[diesel007]

You don't need tons of HP to go fast.

[Imperial]

like saosin said, it's the entire package that matters, not just the number of horses you're puttin out...

[Oz]

I can't believe people buy cars just based on freakin HP. We all know BMW is about the complete package, not just HP. Go buy a Mustang or a Camry/Accord if you wish..

PS. Use the search tool..

[vladinecko]

just last night, while having a beer, one of my friends asked me how many HP my car has. when i told him 255 he started laughing at me because he said what kind of BMW do i have that it only has 255hp. in cases like that, i just automatically assume people have no idea what they're talking about and just let it go...

so, anyways, i join the rest of the people that responded by saying, BMW is not about HP.

[oilbelcher]

Hey, don't shoot down mundo74's thoughts. I agree, and I'm sure many others do. I agree that BMW is the most well rounded package, and best at handling, but others are coming up with packages that are quite appealing -- just a different focus on certain ingredients. When I bought the G35 (have since sold before moving overseas; now have a bmw 320td), I just fell in love with the torque of the engine, near-BMW handling, and MUCH better value for your money. Sure, if money were no object, I would have paid more and would have been probably looking at different cars all together. I will move back to the US in another year or so, and will not buy BMW until more TORQUE can be felt. Its easy to up the HP numbers as BMW did with the E90, and from what I can tell, its just from a better intake, less parasitic losses from engine attachments, and I'm sure some other minor tuning (and yes I realize the block and head have lighter weight material). What was clear to me when I drove the E90 330i hard, was that I really missed the torque of my G35. Yes the materials/build and handling of the BMW were better, and less annoying things like wind noise at speed. But keep in mind that the average consumer doesn't know why a BMW is as good as it is (i.e. all the little things), and often has to make decisions on quick test drives and looking at stats on paper or in magazines. In summary, the 330 needs more torque to go along with the HP increases. Bring on the sedan 335i bi-turbo, with no more than just $4k for just the engine improvement (not know what may be included as standard), and this will be my next car. However, if after a year there is still only a sedan 330i, I will be forced to take a serious look at the G37, IS350 before making a final decision.

[BMW F22]

even though BMW is about the entire package, we all know that many people didnt go with BMW simply because it has less HP than its competitors. Sad but true, I can safely assume that some of us (those that say BMW is about the entire package) are saying that only to go along with others because they know their cars dont have as much HP as other competitors. And when BMW finally releases a 3 series that has more than, or at least equal to its competition, those people will start bragging about how many HP their bimmers have. I will admit that I have no proof as no one is willing to admit this. But like I said, some of us are only trying to justify the "lack of HP" by saying BMWs are about the entire package.

[oilbelcher]

BMWE90, I agree with you. For some, this is obvious. I have done this before as well, as I have owned several BMWs over the years. We all want to justify our purchase decisions. You see the same thing when people talk down the idea of the 335, and possible elimination of the 330i. I was frustrated after buying my G35 back in '03, to find out that they upped the HP the next year for the same money.

[m666]

BMW has cars for all types for all t ypes of people. If you want to compare a BMW to a G35, then compare it to a M3. BMW shouldn't just put more HP in all of it's cars, not everyone cares about HP.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by m666

BMW has cars for all types for all t ypes of people. If you want to compare a BMW to a G35, then compare it to a M3. BMW shouldn't just put more HP in all of it's cars, not everyone cares about HP.

you cant compare an M3 with a G35. M3 is a diff. class in and of itself. The 3 is the most acceptable. Come to think of it, maybe BMW will sell more cars if they increased their HP, maybe they wont. Maybe the reason why people choose other cars over a bimmer is because it's just simply more expensive.

[db17k]

bi turbo 306 hp in yo face son!!!!!! BMW engines tend to have more torque than the competition though, at least as far as japanese cars are concerned

[oilbelcher]

agree they should not put out more HP for all cars. the 325 should stay the same, and the 330 should increase (or provide 335). if you buy the 330 over the 325, you are paying for more performance (assuming you are not buying for pretige or to show-off wealth), and should receive that performance, hopefully in-line with the current competition.

[oilbelcher]

BMW engines do have nice torque that is delivered smoothly throughout a nice range, and usually more than older japanese model -- but not the current competition like infiniti and lexus.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by oilbelcher

Hey, don't shoot down mundo74's thoughts. I agree, and I'm sure many others do. I agree that BMW is the most well rounded package, and best at handling, but others are coming up with packages that are quite appealing -- just a different focus on certain ingredients. When I bought the G35 (have since sold before moving overseas; now have a bmw 320td), I just fell in love with the torque of the engine, near-BMW handling, and MUCH better value for your money. Sure, if money were no object, I would have paid more and would have been probably looking at different cars all together. I will move back to the US in another year or so, and will not buy BMW until more TORQUE can be felt. Its easy to up the HP numbers as BMW did with the E90, and from what I can tell, its just from a better intake, less parasitic losses from engine attachments, and I'm sure some other minor tuning (and yes I realize the block and head have lighter weight material). What was clear to me when I drove the E90 330i hard, was that I really missed the torque of my G35.

My sentiments exactly.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by BMWE90

even though BMW is about the entire package, we all know that many people didnt go with BMW simply because it has less HP than its competitors. Sad but true, I can safely assume that some of us (those that say BMW is about the entire package) are saying that only to go along with others because they know their cars dont have as much HP as other competitors. And when BMW finally releases a 3 series that has more than, or at least equal to its competition, those people will start bragging about how many HP their bimmers have. I will admit that I have no proof as no one is willing to admit this. But like I said, some of us are only trying to justify the "lack of HP" by saying BMWs are about the entire package.

Exactly why do M3 owners quicky point out their 333HP. You are right and the Powers at BMW knows that too.

[RGRAY]

And exactly what are you going to do with all that more hp?

Spend more on gas.

I think it's fine at 255.

[mundo74]

Originally Posted by Oz

I can't believe people buy cars just based on freakin HP. We all know BMW is about the complete package, not just HP. Go buy a Mustang or a Camry/Accord if you wish..

PS. Use the search tool..

I have had an E30 325 Eta and E30 325i, an E30 325isand a E36 328i, Never had I wished that my current E36 have the 121 HP of my Eta engine and I am sure most do not wish their car had less HP. HP is addictive, I know, but some otherwise great cars have been stymied because of lack of power, namely the E39 and E60 525i. Anyway we dont have to get personal, we all have a taste for bmw, not camrys or accords.

[diesel007]

Originally Posted by RGRAY

And exactly what are you going to do with all that more hp?

Spend more on gas.

and More for tickets, and insurance...