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[jibaholic101]

so we here in Seattle have been enjoying an endless winter, it is essentially in the 50s and raining to this day every day with no sign of getting any better any time soon. especially today where it was pouring like you wouldn't believe.

so i have 9500 miles on the car and drive it pretty "spiritedly" and have taken it to the track. so my rears are pretty well worn out.

now this afternoon i am going onto a freeway onramp that is a right hand turn. the ground is very wet and the roads around here are not paved to drain!! [go figure] i am in 2nd going about 25 under light throttle when all of a sudden the rear comes out from me very very hard and wont come under control and correct until the car had spun out almost 270 degrees from the onramp. that was a very entertaining experience when i wasnt expecting it at all!

so the lesson here is guys, dont be shy about changing your tires out when the tread gets low, especially these garbage RFTs that have almost no grip in wet weather.

the end

[Jeef Beef]

What setting was your DSC set to?

[jibaholic101]

i never touched it

[Jeef Beef]

Then that's quite a concerning experience.

*Runs to check rear tyres*

[MOCKBA]

Hard to believe however some rainy day I've seen 5 series in similar situation. Not actually how it happened, just result.

Regarding myself, I can tell that 1 was very confident in rain and hard breaking situation. I was driving pretty much high speed, do not will tell actual to do not tease others, but can tell that pickup truck entering freeways did several 360 degrees turn in from of me, so I had to brake hard trying to avoid kiss of him, and 1 was so confident that it was hard to believe.

[jeremyc74]

For the rear end to step out that bad, you had to be going into the turn way too fast, were doing more than "light throttle", or something's not working like it's supposed to.

I've driven the car around on absolutely slick tires, and while it's no fun, the rear end certainly doesn't just step out for no reason.

[ATR1]

Must have been some oil or other fluid down in the turn

[cagekicker]

damn that's scary!

[Dackelone]

That is called: Aquaplaining.

You were simply driving too fast for those conditions. Wether you knew it or not. No amount of electronic aids will help you out - at that point.

This is why most smart Germans will change their tires when they are down to 4mm of tire thread! Even though by German law... you only need 1.2mm (I think!?). Anything less then 4mm and you are gambling with your safety.

A friend of mine over here, has a used Porsche parts biz. He loves the Fall/winter time when these tight Germans have older P-models and put off buying new tires. He always picks up nice wrecked Porches cheap... bc of bad worn out tires mostly.

Bottom line... any tire that has less then 4mm or thread... of is older than five years old - needs to be replaced!

[sb335is]

done that before in a sedan
never has a problem staying within 150 degrees though then correcting

[BForbes]

Moved to Tire talk...

[Yogijet]

Originally Posted by Jeef Beef

Then that's quite a concerning experience.

*Runs to check rear tyres*

Alarming is more like it. My rears are almost done - been having too much fun with the TC completely off - and I get quite a bit of slippage with the TC fully on but a 270 on a paved surface is a bit strange given the TC being fully on. Even if you punch it, and flick the steering wheel to elicit oversteer, the TC electronics should cut engine power to pull things back on line.

[Yogijet]

Originally Posted by jeremyc74

For the rear end to step out that bad, you had to be going into the turn way too fast, were doing more than "light throttle", or something's not working like it's supposed to.

I've driven the car around on absolutely slick tires, and while it's no fun, the rear end certainly doesn't just step out for no reason.

Exactly. Mine's out of the US where I can't exactly run down to the dealership and pick up 4 tyres. Additionally, I have quite a demanding job so replacing tyres on the car take a bit of coordination. Rainy season now, and I'm slip sliding with TC fully on but no dramatic tail-out action unless I turn the TC completely off, and punch it. There's so much mechanical grip built into the chassis, it's not funny.

[Yogijet]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

That is called: Aquaplaining.

You were simply driving too fast for those conditions. Wether you knew it or not. No amount of electronic aids will help you out - at that point.

This is why most smart Germans will change their tires when they are down to 4mm of tire thread! Even though by German law... you only need 1.2mm (I think!?). Anything less then 4mm and you are gambling with your safety.

A friend of mine over here, has a used Porsche parts biz. He loves the Fall/winter time when these tight Germans have older P-models and put off buying new tires. He always picks up nice wrecked Porches cheap... bc of bad worn out tires mostly.


Bottom line... any tire that has less then 4mm or thread... of is older than five years old - needs to be replaced!

You're absolutely right. He did say there was 'ponding', hence the aquaplaning. That's happened to me in a CRV with bare threading and it was crazy. Barely 60 miles an hour, on my way to buy replacement tyres!

[1013mm]

happened to me on my 325. it must have looked cool.