C&D: 1M Takes Down Audi TT RS and Infiniti IPL G37 in First 1M Comparo Win

[adrean8j]

^^^In the medical example you have given above I would definitely be inclined to take your word for it (if you are a MD), but given the apparent, and relatively safe to assume, knowledge that Swamp2 is up to speed on his mechanical engineering then why would you not take his word for it that the other stuff would not make a SIGNIFICANT difference? In automotive circles an entire second off an "official" 0-60 time is HUUUUUGE....what you are willing to do is make speculations that it IS significant but without any empirical data that suggests it is even possible (given other automotive applications...).

[MrRoboto]

Wow...the TTRS is faster to 60 then a Porsche Carrera GT.

What a pile of dung. Every other test of the TTRS has it above 4 seconds.

[superchargedman]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

^^^In the medical example you have given above I would definitely be inclined to take your word for it (if you are a MD), but given the apparent, and relatively safe to assume, knowledge that Swamp2 is up to speed on his mechanical engineering then why would you not take his word for it that the other stuff would not make a SIGNIFICANT difference? In automotive circles an entire second off an "official" 0-60 time is HUUUUUGE....what you are willing to do is make speculations that it IS significant but without any empirical data that suggests it is even possible (given other automotive applications...).

no, i didn't say they ARE significant. i'm not willing to speculate either way. i said that i would not rule them out as possibly having a significant effect- they're POTENTIAL confounders. you and he are speculating that they are without a doubt not significant and, thus, don't have to be considered as confounders or worked into the equation. critically assess my logic. don't take my word based upon my credentials. if i took my colleagues' word simply because of their degrees, there would be a hell of a lot of medical errors and many people would be dying and suffering complications.

[superchargedman]

again, take my logic and opinion or leave it. several people see the launch, dsg, etc. as significant. you see them as insignificant. i'm saying, let's not rush to any conclusions and look at the complex picture.

[superchargedman]

i've said my bit. time to put my dick away and move on. you are all entitled to your own opinions.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Wow...the TTRS is faster to 60 then a Porsche Carrera GT.

What a pile of dung. Every other test of the TTRS has it above 4 seconds.

They are all European tests. Every European test of the 135i for 0-100km/h has been 5,2s or more.

The best an E92 M3 gets in a European test is generally 0-100km/h is 4,8s.

You have to look at tests in context

[superchargedman]

i'll be interested in seeing euro 0-100k times for the 1m. bmw's official statement is that the m3 and 1m both do it in 4.9s.

[hwelvaar]

Originally Posted by superchargedman

i'll be interested in seeing euro 0-100k times for the 1m. bmw's official statement is that the m3 and 1m both do it in 4.9s.

Actually, M3 coupe is 4.8s (MT) or 4.6s (DCT) for 0-100 km/h according to BMW websites in Europe.
And 1M is 4.9s.

(M3 sedan is also listed as 4.9s ; it's somewhat heavier than the coupe)

Audi TT RS coupe is listed at 4.6s (with MT) and 4.3s (with DCT). (on the Audi website ofcourse)

[superchargedman]

hmm, it's different on the US site.

[superchargedman]

thanks for listing that up. can't seem to find that 0-100 i saw the other day, but the 0-60 is 4.8s here: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...rformance.aspx

[superchargedman]

here it is on the canadian site: http://www.bmw.ca/ca/en/newvehicles/...ical_data.html

Acceleration 0 - 100 km/h, man/auto (in s) 4.9/4.7

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

Groupe B or Gruppe B are generally rally/race style cars in "function"...I think what he means it in the "look" of the Audi RS series of cars they should get back to that functional "racing look", ie widebody kits, cool front rear diffusers, etc, etc....

Gruppe B Audi Quattro S1


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B#Group_B

the 1M even has some Group B styling with the widebody style and wickedly styled front bumper.





1M is more "back to basics" than the current M3 in that regard. So Audi making one is not that out of the question...isn't it called the RS3???

I suppose the Audi Quattro Concept could be considered to have some Gruppe B styling.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by superchargedman

i'll be interested in seeing euro 0-100k times for the 1m. bmw's official statement is that the m3 and 1m both do it in 4.9s.

They will be interesting, I would say it will match it in a lot of tests.

Here are some German test for people to get an idea of the times European testers get

[Jet Mech]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

I agree, but people will say they are completely different classes of cars and void the comparison. In my opinion, the differences are what make the comparisons interesting. The Boss and 1M are both high powered, RWD 2+2's sporting manual transmissions, but they achieve their goals differently. Do you prefer the slightly higher cost but additional refinement of the 1M, or the bang for the buck that the Boss can deliver? That would be the basis of a comparison right there.

I agree and think this would be a great track matchup. Both are arround 50 grand and are similar in power to weight ratio. I hope one of the car mags does a comparison test in the future.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by gazz

Fair enough.
But what is back to basics these days? We are simply not going to see the likes of say a 1970s Alfa Romeo GTA ever again.

I love old Alfa GTA's and GTV's. Hopefully someday I'll own one.

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

I was but I never got an allocation. So moving on I guess. Probably gonna jeep the vert, I'm gonna be hit with 5 grand in charges if I don't lol.

I would potentially be looking at an STi sedan limited or an old Z4MC

I'm also going to be living in the UK for a year next year. If the price is right and a stick is available I would almost definently get an Abarth 4C roadster or a regular 4C come their US release in 2012

You definitely can't go wrong with either the STi or Z4MC. The 4C would be on another level.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by conneem-TT

They will be interesting, I would say it will match it in a lot of tests.

Here are some German test for people to get an idea of the times European testers get

Good table. Regardless if it is 0-60 or 0-62 the times are nowhere near 3.6 for the TTRS.


PS...I wish the rest of the world we get with the program and go metric.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Good table. Regardless if it is 0-60 or 0-62 the times are nowhere near 3.6 for the TTRS.


PS...I wish the rest of the world we get with the program and go metric.

It does best the M3 consistently by 0.6-0.8s though. AutoZeitung also did a comparison (I forgot to put it in the table) between a DCT M3 and a manual TTRS where it found 0-100km/h in 5.1s for the M3 and 4.5s for the TT.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/08/28/au...vs-audi-tt-rs/

I don't think any European tester will see 3.6s to 100km/h for a standard S-Tronic TTRS. Although the closest was actually AutoBild in their test against the RS5 (forgot to put this in the table also), they got 3.9s 0-100km/h which is getting pretty close to 3.6s 0-60mph

I don't think Audi would give a "hot" example to AutoBild when they were comparing it to a model higher in the range

You see the variances between testers, that is why I usually only like to compare one testers figures to get a relative difference

[hwelvaar]

This is actually a good table of how the 1M should have been setup by BMW, compared to the M3.

As in a small, nimble and pure coupe vs a larger and heavier boulevard touring car.

Too bad BMW opted not to step on M3 territory, while Audi obviously didn't mind having a cheaper but faster car than the RS5.

[Peteypab2133]

Originally Posted by hwelvaar

Actually, M3 coupe is 4.8s (MT) or 4.6s (DCT) for 0-100 km/h according to BMW websites in Europe.
And 1M is 4.9s.

(M3 sedan is also listed as 4.9s ; it's somewhat heavier than the coupe)

Audi TT RS coupe is listed at 4.6s (with MT) and 4.3s (with DCT). (on the Audi website ofcourse)

no two cars are the same. especially no two turbo cars.

Ford had issues in the mid 90's for one mustang making 20hp more than another and likewise and coming off the assembly line right after another....

My evo bone stock ran a 13.1 @ 107.9 mph. Fellow owners with the same car would run around 31.4-13.6 @ 103 mph. in rare occasions they hit 12.8-9 No cars are equal. No drivers are equal.


I dont look to much into testing times, I prefer 1/4mile times. They talk WHP numbers. I also like dyno's because they replicate 1/4 mile times. It is what it is in my opinion. C/D and MT and others are just paper backs looking to pursue the plug for a company.

[gazz]

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

I love old Alfa GTA's and GTV's. Hopefully someday I'll own one.

My next project is a 1975 GTA restoration. They are relatively cheap to buy and most are in, or close to, original condition. Parts aren't too difficult and it's a car I understand. Ton of fun to drive with the classic Alfa verve and brio, si.

Bravissimo.

[lavaletta]

Originally Posted by superchargedman

... if i took my colleagues' word simply because of their degrees, there would be a hell of a lot of medical errors and many people would be dying and suffering complications.

Thank God you're out there!!!

[MDORPHN]

Originally Posted by gazz

My next project is a 1975 GTA restoration. They are relatively cheap to buy and most are in, or close to, original condition. Parts aren't too difficult and it's a car I understand. Ton of fun to drive with the classic Alfa verve and brio, si.

Bravissimo.

+2

I once owned a '69 1750 GTV. One of the many cars that I've owned that I wish I never parted with.

Neil