Replica 1m widebody kit for 1 series??

[|2ed]

So far, any vendors working on it?

[DriveHard]

The first problem with your question is actually the first word..

REPLICA... although 1 may think it may be easy to make a 135 into a 1M. the dead giveaway after looking at the body work from the rear 1/4s being cut off is the Sunroof.. all US 135's had sunroofs...ALL 1M's dont.

so let see, what would one need??????

Full interior, or good interior guy to duplicate orange stiching
wheels / tires
all 4 corners of the suspension complete w/ hubs and brakes
Front fenders ( bolt on )
rear 1/4 panels ( weld in )
front bumper
rear bumper
side view mirrors
headliner / work to roof to delete sunroof hole
cat back exhaust
badges
steering wheel switchs / electronics for MDM and M button ( this is probably the only thing that cant be duplicated on the outside...the programming for these buttons ???/)
mats
shift knob
differential / subframe
axels ???


so you see... thats whats wrong with REPLICAS... it just aint worth it.. even "clones" in 20 years may be hard to do....

[spyder562]

Originally Posted by DriveHard

The first problem with your question is actually the first word..

REPLICA... although 1 may think it may be easy to make a 135 into a 1M. the dead giveaway after looking at the body work from the rear 1/4s being cut off is the Sunroof.. all US 135's had sunroofs...ALL 1M's dont.

so let see, what would one need??????

Full interior, or good interior guy to duplicate orange stiching
wheels / tires
all 4 corners of the suspension complete w/ hubs and brakes
Front fenders ( bolt on )
rear 1/4 panels ( weld in )
front bumper
rear bumper
side view mirrors
headliner / work to roof to delete sunroof hole
cat back exhaust
badges
steering wheel switchs / electronics for MDM and M button ( this is probably the only thing that cant be duplicated on the outside...the programming for these buttons ???/)
mats
shift knob
differential / subframe
axels ???


so you see... thats whats wrong with REPLICAS... it just aint worth it.. even "clones" in 20 years may be hard to do....

He is asking about the body, not to replicate the whole car.

Not hard at all to be honest. This is a easy project for any design or manufacture company.

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by DriveHard

The first problem with your question is actually the first word..

REPLICA... although 1 may think it may be easy to make a 135 into a 1M. the dead giveaway after looking at the body work from the rear 1/4s being cut off is the Sunroof.. all US 135's had sunroofs...ALL 1M's dont.

so let see, what would one need??????

Full interior, or good interior guy to duplicate orange stiching
wheels / tires
all 4 corners of the suspension complete w/ hubs and brakes
Front fenders ( bolt on )
rear 1/4 panels ( weld in )
front bumper
rear bumper
side view mirrors
headliner / work to roof to delete sunroof hole
cat back exhaust
badges
steering wheel switchs / electronics for MDM and M button ( this is probably the only thing that cant be duplicated on the outside...the programming for these buttons ???/)
mats
shift knob
differential / subframe
axels ???


so you see... thats whats wrong with REPLICAS... it just aint worth it.. even "clones" in 20 years may be hard to do....

Go overboard much?

[DriveHard]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

Go overboard much?

Ok a little... LOL

just if one is gonna do it, i guess it should be done corectly..

[adrean8j]

LOL...I hear you. I personally wish there was a widebody application for the 1er (as in front AND rear). But if there was one I wouldn't want it to look like the 1M....I personally don't like the looks on the 1M and wished they went more towards the Tii concept with widebody elements....but to each their own

[ATSR]

IMO the best looking feature of the 1M are those amazing flared fenders and you will NEVER be able to replicate that feature in the 135 unless you replace a bunch of stuff.

[Satalite]

There was a post earlier around here about a F20 replica 1M body kit that the guy had "custom" done. It isn't cheap, but if your willing to shell out the $$$ it can be done.

[adrean8j]

^^^Yeah I am pretty sure he was in Germany somewhere i remember seeing that.

[|2ed]

Im asking just about the bodykit. The front should be easy compared to the rear..

---->http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=584662

I think this guy got original parts and that is EX!!!

[thez99]

Yea, other than the obvious issue with the ER widebody for instance (the cost!), the other issue I have with doing that with a 1er is then that makes the front track width atleast 2" WIDER than the rear track which just doesnt make sense and doesnt follow how the front and rear track sizes should be for a RWD car. For a widebody to work for a RWD car you need to widen the front but also the rear, the rear should either be inline with the front or wider. Otherwise a wider front track would have to mess with the overall handling and performance of the car

As far as widening the car, sure if you were to make the rear wider you would have to modify the entire rear end of the car, not just replace fenders, etc.

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by thez99

Yea, other than the obvious issue with the ER widebody for instance (the cost!), the other issue I have with doing that with a 1er is then that makes the front track width atleast 2" WIDER than the rear track which just doesnt make sense and doesnt follow how the front and rear track sizes should be for a RWD car. For a widebody to work for a RWD car you need to widen the front but also the rear, the rear should either be inline with the front or wider. Otherwise a wider front track would have to mess with the overall handling and performance of the car

As far as widening the car, sure if you were to make the rear wider you would have to modify the entire rear end of the car, not just replace fenders, etc.

You do realize that our fronts are 225front and 245 rear stock right?
With the ER you could theoretically run 245 square....how is that 2" wider?
Are we talking about optics or function here?

[thez99]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

You do realize that our fronts are 225front and 245 rear stock right?
With the ER you could theoretically run 245 square....how is that 2" wider?
Are we talking about optics or function here?

The ER kit widens each front fender by 2.5", which is about 5" wider for the entire front track. The stock 135i has a 58.3" front track and a 59.6 rear with stock tires (which are actually 215F-245R as came on my 10' stock 135). So if you widened the front by 5" that puts it well over 3" wider than the rear.

In the end youd need spacers with a 9.5" wheel up front to run a straight setup, spacers needed to keep the wider wheels from the struts. This would def run a wider setup on the front vs the rear even with a straight setup.

So i just wouldnt see the point unless you were widening the rear as well like that build mentioned above.

[adrean8j]

Originally Posted by thez99

The ER kit widens each front fender by 2.5", which is about 5" wider for the entire front track. The stock 135i has a 58.3" front track and a 59.6 rear with stock tires (which are actually 215F-245R as came on my 10' stock 135). So if you widened the front by 5" that puts it well over 3" wider than the rear.

In the end youd need spacers with a 9.5" wheel up front to run a straight setup, spacers needed to keep the wider wheels from the struts. This would def run a wider setup on the front vs the rear even with a straight setup.

So i just wouldnt see the point unless you were widening the rear as well like that build mentioned above.

I follow what you are saying...Maybe we can get Fred to chime in (ER) on why they went with only the front. There was a thread on this IIRC.

[thez99]

Well like said earlier above, the front end of this car is easier to widen as its really just wider deeper fenders and bumper. Whereas the rear requires more internal modification as in welded parts, etc. as far as I know. Or perhaps it would just require more parts or a more difficult installation, who knows.

All I know is I would def like a wider track in the front to allow for a straight setup, but only if the rear base was wider or there was a widening kit to widen the rear so it could still be atleast an inch or so wider than the front in total track width as it should be with a RWD car.

[adrean8j]

Here Fred explains why they didn't really need to widen the rear given the amount of HP we/he is running:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...light=widebody

[juanqui2700]

http://www.schmiedmann.com/1_series/...e1.htm#1934599

Here you can find the Fender-kit with airintakes L+R.-side (original decor mouldings must be bought separately)

[thez99]

When it gets to doing that much cosmetic changing to the car, I say just switch over to the car youd rather have, or be happy with mods that dont transform your entire car into something you didnt initially buy with a smile on your face

[audiohigh]

Not worth it at all. You have a 135i. You'd be better off working the go fast angle with some other subtle cosmetic changes. By spring I should dyno about 380whp thanks to Cobb and a lot of other parts.

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this already but for a good wide body kit, all the body work, and pretty much painting the entire car you're easily looking at 8-10k.

For that amount of money you can get HPF turbo kit they are working on and by something stupid like 500+whp.

[VMRWheels]

It's definitely possible to get the exterior to look similar but it'll definitely cost some serious cash to do so.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

LOL...I hear you. I personally wish there was a widebody application for the 1er (as in front AND rear). But if there was one I wouldn't want it to look like the 1M....I personally don't like the looks on the 1M and wished they went more towards the Tii concept with widebody elements....but to each their own

This. I personally think that the Doerr car is the best looking 1 series around for just those reasons.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by adrean8j

You do realize that our fronts are 225front and 245 rear stock right?
With the ER you could theoretically run 245 square....how is that 2" wider?
Are we talking about optics or function here?

I run 245 square stock...no need for widebodys if thats your goal. Just some proper offset wheels