5.0 Coyote

SAM135iAM · 09-09-2013, 09:41 AM

Driving through "Mexico" the other day I encounter a new 5.0 Mustang on an "abandon air field." There was a mutual need to test out the abilities of our cars against each other. Down low around 40 to 60 our car were fairly matched. In some cases I pulled on the 5.0, but only up to about 100-110. After that, those 5.0's scream! He would pull or gain on me hard after 100. We never got a real race in from a set roll and three honks, but I'm pretty sure I would have lost if we had raced from any significant speed to past 100.

What have your experiences with the new 5.0 been?

davefromfla · 09-09-2013, 11:01 AM

There were 2 new 5.0's at the drag strip last year when I ran my 135 (stock with PPK) there. My best run was 13.2@ 104 MPH, and had 2 runs at 13.4. Both of the 5.0's were between 14.2-14.5. Of course, I had no way to find out about comparing at over 100 MPH. I was surprised they were slower in the 1/4. I have rented 5.0's a couple of times, and they sure feel fast and sound great.

J-Rod · 09-09-2013, 11:27 AM

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There were 2 new 5.0's at the drag strip last year when I ran my 135 (stock with PPK) there. My best run was 13.2@ 104 MPH, and had 2 runs at 13.4. Both of the 5.0's were between 14.2-14.5. Of course, I had no way to find out about comparing at over 100 MPH. I was surprised they were slower in the 1/4. I have rented 5.0's a couple of times, and they sure feel fast and sound great.

Did you notice, or know what rubber they were running? I had one, and have a couple of friends tracking theirs and they are in the high 12's low 13's, but they're running better tires. A big problem for them is spin. Over 100 mph they still pull like crazy! Fun car!

Fifty3bags · 09-09-2013, 12:04 PM

The new 5.0 motors are great motors. I think the biggest hit to the car is the weight. All of the new muscle cars are heavy - though, I think the mustang is the lightest and the challenger is by far the pig of the group.

glhs379 · 09-09-2013, 12:06 PM

I pull my buddies 12 stick even up top on the street. I ran a 12.9@ 110 this past Friday he ran a 13.2@109. Stock except for mufflers. New boss there also ran 13.2@110.5. He also has mufflers. Him and I were the exact same 1/8 mph also.

davefromfla · 09-09-2013, 01:51 PM

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Did you notice, or know what rubber they were running? I had one, and have a couple of friends tracking theirs and they are in the high 12's low 13's, but they're running better tires. A big problem for them is spin. Over 100 mph they still pull like crazy! Fun car!

I think they both had the factory Pirelli P-Zeros that while summer rated, are more like touring tires.

J-Rod · 09-09-2013, 01:55 PM

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I think they both had the factory Pirelli P-Zeros that while summer rated, are more like touring tires.

That's probably it then. My friend's were running Mickey T's. One of them is doing low 12's (exhaust, cai, tune).

08LMB135i · 09-09-2013, 03:45 PM

Up here in Calgary, 5.0 Automatic Convertibles are slower and manual 5.0L Convertibles are dead even, where manual coupes are faster I find.

J-Rod · 09-09-2013, 03:59 PM

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Up here in Calgary, 5.0 Automatic Convertibles are slower and manual 5.0L Convertibles are dead even, where manual coupes are faster I find.

Verts are heavier though, aren't they?

08LMB135i · 09-09-2013, 04:27 PM

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Up here in Calgary, 5.0 Automatic Convertibles are slower and manual 5.0L Convertibles are dead even, where manual coupes are faster I find.

Verts are heavier though, aren't they?

Yeah which is why they are slower.

J-Rod · 09-09-2013, 05:22 PM

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Yeah which is why they are slower.

Mine was brembo packaged base (cloth/plastic) model. And it could really move. My biggest issue was with handling and build quality.

By the way, AT are pulling every 6MT at the strip here. Except for a Shelby500 doing 11's hehe

Vigilante375 · 09-10-2013, 09:01 AM

5.0s can run 12.8s @ ~108 with a good driver. When they were first out back on the streets I encountered one at the drag strip running consistent 12.8s bone stock like you find at the dealer. Boss 302s can run low 12s bone stock as well.

They are fast cars but I would assume so with 420+ HP and weighing #36xx.

Sam, do you have any mods done to your car? I haven't ran a new 5.0 but did do a run with a older 4.6 which was bad for him....even with him getting the jump and my car being stock.

SAM135iAM · 09-10-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vigilante375

5.0s can run 12.8s @ ~108 with a good driver. When they were first out back on the streets I encountered one at the drag strip running consistent 12.8s bone stock like you find at the dealer. Boss 302s can run low 12s bone stock as well.

They are fast cars but I would assume so with 420+ HP and weighing #36xx.

Sam, do you have any mods done to your car? I haven't ran a new 5.0 but did do a run with a older 4.6 which was bad for him....even with him getting the jump and my car being stock.

The only mods I have are an ETS front mount and BMS intake. I suspect the FMIC was pretty much worthless since it was 102 degrees out side, and the intake just sounds good. Those 5.0's are pretty damn quick. No doubt about it! 4.6 = FAIL CITY!

135Pats · 09-10-2013, 10:04 AM

They’re fast for sure. Did a 60-130 pull a few months back against one, probably ended up a car length or two in front. Strong motor for sure though.

Vigilante375 · 09-11-2013, 09:40 AM

Well anything can happen on the streets and so does having the driver mod, as we all know that. It's always fun to get a good run in with worthy cars. I hope I can run one before I get a tune but that's unlikely.

J-Rod · 09-11-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vigilante375

5.0s can run 12.8s @ ~108 with a good driver. When they were first out back on the streets I encountered one at the drag strip running consistent 12.8s bone stock like you find at the dealer. Boss 302s can run low 12s bone stock as well.

They are fast cars but I would assume so with 420+ HP and weighing #36xx.

Sam, do you have any mods done to your car? I haven't ran a new 5.0 but did do a run with a older 4.6 which was bad for him....even with him getting the jump and my car being stock.

Hmm, that 5.0 running 12.8s was bone stock? A friend of mine was running 12.8s with CAI + Tune and almost sure he had x-pipe too. He's AT too so driver not so much of a variable. Now he's doing very low 12's, but I think he might have changed his setup a bit.

Vigilante375 · 09-12-2013, 07:41 AM

Yes, that is what they CAN run. My friends even have seen them run that fast. Anywhere from 12.8-13.0. Just like our cars are suppose to run around 13.3 but how many of us has done that bone stock? Me? I've ran a best of 13.5 once but ran consistent 13.7-13.8 and I had 225/255 non-runflat all-season tires, which are a hell of a lot better than the stock run craps.

The one I seen still had paper tags on the rear window, I even looked at his tires and it was the stock pirelli's or whatever they came with for the 2011 model.

The fastest bone stock 5.0 has run in the low 12s but that guy was launching VERY high and eventually broke his car doing it so much. Generally you'll see them in the 13s, like low to mid 13s since people are not like the next person at figuring out how to launch the car.

Another factor is also the gear ratio. The manuals have 3 different options and I think the auto has 2....maybe 3 as well but I don't know. 3.31, 3.5x and 3.73, either way the driver mod helps out a LOT for any car.

J-Rod · 09-12-2013, 09:26 AM

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Yes, that is what they CAN run. My friends even have seen them run that fast. Anywhere from 12.8-13.0. Just like our cars are suppose to run around 13.3 but how many of us has done that bone stock? Me? I've ran a best of 13.5 once but ran consistent 13.7-13.8 and I had 225/255 non-runflat all-season tires, which are a hell of a lot better than the stock run craps.

The one I seen still had paper tags on the rear window, I even looked at his tires and it was the stock pirelli's or whatever they came with for the 2011 model.

The fastest bone stock 5.0 has run in the low 12s but that guy was launching VERY high and eventually broke his car doing it so much. Generally you'll see them in the 13s, like low to mid 13s since people are not like the next person at figuring out how to launch the car.

Another factor is also the gear ratio. The manuals have 3 different options and I think the auto has 2....maybe 3 as well but I don't know. 3.31, 3.5x and 3.73, either way the driver mod helps out a LOT for any car.

Yeah mine was a 2011 and came with PZeros and a 3.73. But for 2011my 3.73s came only for the Brembo package which were all manuals for that year. The problem was managing the wheel spin though. I guess that's where driver mod will make a difference the most. No doubt they're fast and shouldn't be underestimated. 4.6's sucked compared to these 5.0s, I had a 2001 4.6 and loved it (that's why I bought the 5.0 later on). But then I tried this big spirited little car, and fell for it.

Vigilante375 · 09-12-2013, 09:46 AM

I would have bought either a 5.0 or Boss 302 but didn't. The dealer I went to for the 5.0 was a douche and didn't like the payment I wanted to pay.....because he didn't know how much I was going to put down. He kept saying "You know thats a $35k car right? The minimal payment is $600 per month." Smurfer wouldn't even let me test drive and finally "gave" in to me just sitting in the car and taking a look at it, inside and out. Needless to say I left and laugh on the way out. And all the Boss 302's were being marked up and I'm not playing that stupid game.

I went for the 135i after the Mustang didn't work out, the Camaro was a total nightmare of a car just to sit in (stupid plastic crap above the door armrest that goes across the dash to the other door, plus a bunch of other stuff) and the G8 GXP deal didn't work out for me.

I test drove a DCT 135i then the wife and I went in and worked a deal on my current 135i. I love this little car minus the Nav......

Ford should have released the 5.0 when the new Camaro came out but better late than never.

SAM135iAM · 09-12-2013, 09:48 AM

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The only mods I have are an ETS front mount and BMS intake. I suspect the FMIC was pretty much worthless since it was 102 degrees out side, and the intake just sounds good. Those 5.0's are pretty damn quick. No doubt about it! 4.6 = FAIL CITY!

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Yeah mine was a 2011 and came with PZeros and a 3.73. But for 2011my 3.73s came only for the Brembo package which were all manuals for that year. The problem was managing the wheel spin though. I guess that's where driver mod will make a difference the most. No doubt they're fast and shouldn't be underestimated. 4.6's sucked compared to these 5.0s, I had a 2001 4.6 and loved it (that's why I bought the 5.0 later on). But then I tried this big spirited little car, and fell for it.

I know we have been bashing the 4.6...and yeah, they are super slow...but man do they sound good, or what?!?! Borla exhaust with an x-pipe on a 02 Cobra makes my pants a little tighter

J-Rod · 09-12-2013, 10:00 AM

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I know we have been bashing the 4.6...and yeah, they are super slow...but man do they sound good, or what?!?! Borla exhaust with an x-pipe on a 02 Cobra makes my pants a little tighter

THAT they sure Do!!! Whenever I see one on the highway/street I lower my windows (my gf always laughs at this). That loud ass V8 Burble = *boner*

Vigilante375 · 09-12-2013, 10:04 AM

03/04 Cobras sound beastly and the 5.0s do too with a full exhaust system.

By the way, there were no US 2002 Cobras. There was something like 100 made and they are all in Aussie land. But I got ya, a 99-01 Cobra sounds good too but not as good as the 2 I mentioned above.

I REALLY love the sound of a ZR1, that LS9 really screams even with the stock exhaust...especially when shifting near redline.

09-09-2013, 09:41 AM	#1
SAM135iAM Lieutenant 51 Rep 403 Posts Drives: 11' 135i DCT Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Dallas Texas iTrader: (0)	5.0 Coyote Driving through "Mexico" the other day I encounter a new 5.0 Mustang on an "abandon air field." There was a mutual need to test out the abilities of our cars against each other. Down low around 40 to 60 our car were fairly matched. In some cases I pulled on the 5.0, but only up to about 100-110. After that, those 5.0's scream! He would pull or gain on me hard after 100. We never got a real race in from a set roll and three honks, but I'm pretty sure I would have lost if we had raced from any significant speed to past 100. What have your experiences with the new 5.0 been?
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davefromfla First Lieutenant 114 Rep 354 Posts Drives: 2021 M440ix Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	There were 2 new 5.0's at the drag strip last year when I ran my 135 (stock with PPK) there. My best run was 13.2@ 104 MPH, and had 2 runs at 13.4. Both of the 5.0's were between 14.2-14.5. Of course, I had no way to find out about comparing at over 100 MPH. I was surprised they were slower in the 1/4. I have rented 5.0's a couple of times, and they sure feel fast and sound great.
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Fifty3bags Captain 326 Rep 914 Posts Drives: 2010 135i Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Chattanooga, TN iTrader: (2)	The new 5.0 motors are great motors. I think the biggest hit to the car is the weight. All of the new muscle cars are heavy - though, I think the mustang is the lightest and the challenger is by far the pig of the group.
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glhs379 Private 0 Rep 95 Posts Drives: 2013 335i Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NE Pa. iTrader: (1)	I pull my buddies 12 stick even up top on the street. I ran a 12.9@ 110 this past Friday he ran a 13.2@109. Stock except for mufflers. New boss there also ran 13.2@110.5. He also has mufflers. Him and I were the exact same 1/8 mph also.
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08LMB135i Rally Armored 135i, don't copy me! 1 Rep 186 Posts Drives: 2008 Lemans Blue 135i M Sport Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Calgary Alberta iTrader: (0)	Up here in Calgary, 5.0 Automatic Convertibles are slower and manual 5.0L Convertibles are dead even, where manual coupes are faster I find.
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Vigilante375 Major 116 Rep 1,158 Posts Drives: 2012 AW 6M 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	5.0s can run 12.8s @ ~108 with a good driver. When they were first out back on the streets I encountered one at the drag strip running consistent 12.8s bone stock like you find at the dealer. Boss 302s can run low 12s bone stock as well. They are fast cars but I would assume so with 420+ HP and weighing #36xx. Sam, do you have any mods done to your car? I haven't ran a new 5.0 but did do a run with a older 4.6 which was bad for him....even with him getting the jump and my car being stock.
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135Pats Major General 456 Rep 6,478 Posts Drives: A few BMWs Join Date: May 2012 Location: Maryland iTrader: (3)	They’re fast for sure. Did a 60-130 pull a few months back against one, probably ended up a car length or two in front. Strong motor for sure though. __________________ E88 N54 Alpinweiss/Coral Red/Motiv HTA 3586r Tial .82AR/Other stuff...652WHP F30 N55 XDrive EBII
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Vigilante375 Major 116 Rep 1,158 Posts Drives: 2012 AW 6M 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	Well anything can happen on the streets and so does having the driver mod, as we all know that. It's always fun to get a good run in with worthy cars. I hope I can run one before I get a tune but that's unlikely.
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Vigilante375 Major 116 Rep 1,158 Posts Drives: 2012 AW 6M 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	Yes, that is what they CAN run. My friends even have seen them run that fast. Anywhere from 12.8-13.0. Just like our cars are suppose to run around 13.3 but how many of us has done that bone stock? Me? I've ran a best of 13.5 once but ran consistent 13.7-13.8 and I had 225/255 non-runflat all-season tires, which are a hell of a lot better than the stock run craps. The one I seen still had paper tags on the rear window, I even looked at his tires and it was the stock pirelli's or whatever they came with for the 2011 model. The fastest bone stock 5.0 has run in the low 12s but that guy was launching VERY high and eventually broke his car doing it so much. Generally you'll see them in the 13s, like low to mid 13s since people are not like the next person at figuring out how to launch the car. Another factor is also the gear ratio. The manuals have 3 different options and I think the auto has 2....maybe 3 as well but I don't know. 3.31, 3.5x and 3.73, either way the driver mod helps out a LOT for any car.
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Vigilante375 Major 116 Rep 1,158 Posts Drives: 2012 AW 6M 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	I would have bought either a 5.0 or Boss 302 but didn't. The dealer I went to for the 5.0 was a douche and didn't like the payment I wanted to pay.....because he didn't know how much I was going to put down. He kept saying "You know thats a $35k car right? The minimal payment is $600 per month." Smurfer wouldn't even let me test drive and finally "gave" in to me just sitting in the car and taking a look at it, inside and out. Needless to say I left and laugh on the way out. And all the Boss 302's were being marked up and I'm not playing that stupid game. I went for the 135i after the Mustang didn't work out, the Camaro was a total nightmare of a car just to sit in (stupid plastic crap above the door armrest that goes across the dash to the other door, plus a bunch of other stuff) and the G8 GXP deal didn't work out for me. I test drove a DCT 135i then the wife and I went in and worked a deal on my current 135i. I love this little car minus the Nav...... Ford should have released the 5.0 when the new Camaro came out but better late than never.
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Vigilante375 Major 116 Rep 1,158 Posts Drives: 2012 AW 6M 135i Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	03/04 Cobras sound beastly and the 5.0s do too with a full exhaust system. By the way, there were no US 2002 Cobras. There was something like 100 made and they are all in Aussie land. But I got ya, a 99-01 Cobra sounds good too but not as good as the 2 I mentioned above. I REALLY love the sound of a ZR1, that LS9 really screams even with the stock exhaust...especially when shifting near redline.
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