UPDATES on BMW 1M / M1 news, rumors, and speculation

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Excuse my ignorance, but why would the M1 share an engine with M3?

It seems like Scott's statements have gone through a critique and approval with upper management. The only reliable data we have are pictures, no concrete details have been divulged.

Because the sharing of engines and technology is a cost-saving method that we are all aware of in today's world....BMW is no longer in the position where each ///M car gets its own unique engine. The V8 in the X5M and X6M will be the basis for the new M5 and M6, with distinguishing "tweaks" made for each car....

The M1 will get a tweaked version of the N55--not sure what that means yet, but there are theories out there.

What ends up going in the E82 M1 will the basis for the F30 M3 engine. The F20 M1 will get a new 4 cylinder turbo engine...

As already mentioned, this news is months old....

[JB135MDCT]

Last 3 posters, I understand and agree with what you all say. My point is if N55 (or S55) goes into M3 , why would any one buy an M3? Don't you think there is too much overlap? Assuming suspension, diff, etc. are shared with M1.

I see most upgrading the tune of M1 to match M3. If M1 gets the I-4 version and M3 the I-6 version, ok problem solved.

[BrokenVert]

There will be no overlap because by the time the f30 m3 comes out the e82 m1 will be dead.

[///M1]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The V8 introduced with the X5 and X6 M will be seen in both the M5 and M6 but with a different character and more power . The M6 will also offer a slight increase in power over the M5 to challenge other high end performance cars such as the 911 Turbo and Audi R8 5.2...

Scott, sorry for the partial threadjack, but any info whether the F10 M5 will be offered in a manual (at least for our North American shores). For me personally, that would be the 1 factor that determines ownership of one. Hope BMW stays true to its roots and gives us a manual tranny, even though the E60 M5 manual was a slow seller here (though a lot had to do with other factors as you are well aware). Thx!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Last 3 posters, I understand and agree with what you all say. My point is if N55 (or S55) goes into M3 , why would any one buy an M3? Don't you think there is too much overlap? Assuming suspension, diff, etc. are shared with M1.

I see most upgrading the tune of M1 to match M3. If M1 gets the I-4 version and M3 the I-6 version, ok problem solved.

You obviously missed it a bove when I said the tweaked N55 going into the E82 M1 would be THE BASIS for the engine going into the F30 M3--as in, the platform will be the same. The engines will not be the same...

Another point that results from this information is that the engine going into the E82 M1 will obviously:

1. have a much higher output capability than the 350 BHP we assume the E82 M1 is getting, since the F30 M3 is rumored to produce in the range of 450 BHP and;
2. The engine is obviously not a "dog" if it will be the basis for the F30 M3, or the next generation of BMW's most widely known and acclaimed car.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

Last 3 posters, I understand and agree with what you all say. My point is if N55 (or S55) goes into M3 , why would any one buy an M3? Don't you think there is too much overlap? Assuming suspension, diff, etc. are shared with M1.

I see most upgrading the tune of M1 to match M3. If M1 gets the I-4 version and M3 the I-6 version, ok problem solved.

suspension bits are shared with the E9x M3, not the F30 M3. You are getting the future and present mixes up.
Basically look at it like what AMG does with the 5.5 and 6.2 engines. It's funny because someone on here has a quote the M division had said about putting the same engine in different cars. IMHO, I think BMW kinda went backwards, it should have been a Turbo I6 for the E9x M3, and then a V8---but in today's world it makes sense.

[hector]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

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What ends up going in the E82 M1 will the basis for the F30 M3 engine. The F20 M1 will get a new 4 cylinder turbo engine...

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unformatted poll:

A) the 6cyl. e82 M1 will blow away the 4cyl. f20 M1 due to overwhelming power and torque advantages.

B) the f20 M1 will blow away the e82 M1 due to a more evolved chassis, lower weight and nearly equivalent power and torque to weight ratios from a super highly tuned ultra-high revving 4cyl.

[SlicktopTTZ]

Originally Posted by hector

unformatted poll:

A) the 6cyl. e82 M1 will blow away the 4cyl. f20 M1 due to overwhelming power and torque advantages.

B) the f20 M1 will blow away the e82 M1 due to a more evolved chassis, lower weight and nearly equivalent power and torque to weight ratios from a super highly tuned ultra-high revving 4cyl.

Following the current trend, I think we will be seeing lower revving, higher torque turbo engines rather than making power with lots of rpm.

Most of the current turbo 4cylinder engines I have driven redline between 6-7grand. They will just throw more boost through to compensate for displacement.

[SCOTT26]

Scott, sorry for the partial threadjack, but any info whether the F10 M5 will be offered in a manual (at least for our North American shores). For me personally, that would be the 1 factor that determines ownership of one. Hope BMW stays true to its roots and gives us a manual tranny, even though the E60 M5 manual was a slow seller here (though a lot had to do with other factors as you are well aware). Thx!

I do not think a manual has been created for this generation of M5 , because of the previous response before which almost took the credibility of the M5 but sacrificed the-then M boss. Of the M5's I have seen they all had an upgraded DCT. Both the manual E60 and E63 are cars the M Division would like to forget.

In a way the new 1er and 3er share the same platform matrix , in this case it is a new modular platform that can be stretched or shrunk and be applied to MINI also. This is a new cost effective platform which means that more proditable variants can be created off one platform, meaning more profitability. This is what BMW has invested in when our competitors were investing in their Sports cars .
Again like Efficient Dynamics we have caught the competition completely offguard and they are scrambling to add to their product mix.
The key important segments for the next decade is the MINI segment , Compact segment , Mid-Compact Sports Sedan segment that is why there will be great expansion within the MINI , Sub-BMW 1er , BMW 1er and 3er model lines.

[///M1]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I do not think a manual has been created for this generation of M5 , because of the previous response before which almost took the credibility of the M5 but sacrificed the-then M boss. Of the M5's I have seen they all had an upgraded DCT. Both the manual E60 and E63 are cars the M Division would like to forget.

Thanks a bunch Scott, certainly was hoping for another answer, but can't say I am shocked. Sadly the days of the stick shift may be numbered, especially when it comes to high-powered 4-door sedans. My dislike of anything that has 2 pedals made me switch over from the ///M (had an E39 M5 which to this date is my favorite car of all times) to the Quattro GmbH camp and their RS offering. I just didn't find delight in the SMG equipped E60 M5 and went for a far more underpowered car (relatively speaking) just to have the manual. However given the latest RS5 release and no manual option, I guess they are doing what just about every other manufacturer is doing, short of Porsche perhaps.

I am glad BMW keeps a 6-spd manual in the F10 550, given it's engine it can have good tuning potential for people like me that will be looking for near M5 power but are adamant about having a manual. I guess I will die a dinosaur, wanting 'old school' technology

[MarcusDubya77]

Thanks for all of the updates!!! Just keep the crackheads happy!!!

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The key important segments for the next decade is the MINI segment , Compact segment , Mid-Compact Sports Sedan segment that is why there will be great expansion within the MINI , Sub-BMW 1er , BMW 1er and 3er model lines.

I think this is the right focus. As long as the "Sub-BMW 1er" is not FWD.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

I think this is the right focus. As long as the "Sub-BMW 1er" is not FWD.

It will be FWD and it may not be sub 1 (from other sources), but rather the lower end of the 1 spectrum. Think 120d 5 door hatch= FWD, 135i Coupe= RWD (or is it 235i ), based on the same basic framework, makes it cheaper to produce and adaptable to each market while being in the same line. The 5 door hatch competes with the GTI that has more leg room/storage in the back b/c it is FWD so the BMW will move to the same format. The Coupe competes with the TT (sort of) and will be sportier thanks to being RWD.... you get the idea.

The chassis will be just as good in each; just driven by the wheels required by that segment. BMW is onto something with this approach as it allows them to keep costs down and to build the car the buyers want. Most people in the EU pass on the 1er for another brand (even though BMW sells a lot of them) because the trunk and rear leg room is occupied by the drivetrain, not so functional. MINIs are FWD and drive better than many RWD cars so it is not out the question BMW could build a 1 that is FWD and nearly mimics RWD performance/driving.

[mapezzul]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Both the manual E60 and E63 are cars the M Division would like to forget.

You can thank to good old US of A for those- people just could not swallow SMG. The cars were initially designed as SMG only and the performance showed that, as did the engine character. SMG was a much better choice in both.

[///M1]

Originally Posted by mapezzul

You can thank to good old US of A for those- people just could not swallow SMG. The cars were initially designed as SMG only and the performance showed that, as did the engine character. SMG was a much better choice in both.

I agree and disagree. Yes, the SMG, as clunky and suboptimal as it is for everyday life , is the better transmission for THIS particular powerplant.

Would BMW ///M division like to forget about the E60 and E63 manual cars? I hope they don't, because they can learn from their mistakes! They either didn't have to offer a manual at all, or offer a PROPER manual - one built from the ground up and suited for this car, as opposed to use spare parts off the 545i bin, and on top of it all cripple the car with ridiculous non-defeat stability controls. No wonder all the magazines, jounalists, and of course owners were unhappy.

So the the ///M division, "A" for listening to its customers, "D" for execution. Next time, make up your mind, if you decide to 'cave in' on what customers want, make sure it meets the high caliber ///M Division standards, or else don't offer it at all. One needs to learn from ones mistakes, not forget about them!

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by ///M1

One needs to learn from ones mistakes, not forget about them!

Remember that we're dealing with ze Germans here, right?

[SCOTT26]

Apologies for the lack of posting , I have a busy summer ahead in terms of upcoming projects that will launch just before the end of the year, one which commenced shooting on Monday.

Updates will be coming soon.

[HondaGoneRogue]

Somebody get to LA!!!

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Apologies for the lack of posting , I have a busy summer ahead in terms of upcoming projects that will launch just before the end of the year, one which commenced shooting on Monday.

Updates will be coming soon.

No apologies needed...Good to hear from you.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by HondaGoneRogue

Somebody get to LA!!!

release the jzhang!

[amdmaxx]

X3 running over AMG S class video?

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Apologies for the lack of posting , I have a busy summer ahead in terms of upcoming projects that will launch just before the end of the year, one which commenced shooting on Monday.

Updates will be coming soon.

[Stratos]

SCOTT26 has said that they will shoot the M1 in L.A!