1M Coupe Runs Nurburgring in 8:12

[EmmDrei]

Originally Posted by marcel b

Regarding the LSD it depends. If it is a similar / standard car, you are right. But I drove my 335i without LSD over there with a proper suspension (KW clubsport) and Dunlop Direzza 03G and walked away from standard M3 E46s. Now with a Drexler LSD installed the difference is even bigger. The difference in traction and in handling is more then noticeable.

That comparison depends on what you were up against, Marcel. if your "opponent" was on a non-CP, stick shift, M346 I'd say he didn't stand a chance, because his brakes didn't allow him to actually use the advantage he had. The CP (both the CSL brakes as well as the SMG II with the M-Track Mode) made a huge difference. But then again, we both know the comparison is not really fair as long as you do not know who the other driver is and how good or not he is. I've overtaken a Ferrari 430 Scuderia (in full race trim) coming out of the Karussell. Driving a 318is Compact in VLN specs. I won't go and say, that makes the Scuderia slower than a 318.

As to the importance of the LSD on the ring: The e46 325 is the only car in our class, that is not allowed to run a LSD. There was a team in our class that spent close to 100k Euro in order to build an e46 to beat the e90s. Even though they surely had the most expensive car in the class and even though their drivers were really good, their e46 was never able to completely match the e90s. Following that car, you could see why. They simply could not carry the momentum through the corners before the long uphill stretches and that is a sure laptime killer on the Nordschleife.

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by EmmDrei

That comparison depends on what you were up against, Marcel. if your "opponent" was on a non-CP, stick shift, M346 I'd say he didn't stand a chance, because his brakes didn't allow him to actually use the advantage he had. The CP (both the CSL brakes as well as the SMG II with the M-Track Mode) made a huge difference. But then again, we both know the comparison is not really fair as long as you do not know who the other driver is and how good or not he is. I've overtaken a Ferrari 430 Scuderia (in full race trim) coming out of the Karussell. Driving a 318is Compact in VLN specs. I won't go and say, that makes the Scuderia slower than a 318.

As to the importance of the LSD on the ring: The e46 325 is the only car in our class, that is not allowed to run a LSD. There was a team in our class that spent close to 100k Euro in order to build an e46 to beat the e90s. Even though they surely had the most expensive car in the class and even though their drivers were really good, their e46 was never able to completely match the e90s. Following that car, you could see why. They simply could not carry the momentum through the corners before the long uphill stretches and that is a sure laptime killer on the Nordschleife.

you are absolultely right. On the other hand a friend of mine has a ringtool E46M3 CP with SMG2 and coming out of corners I walk away from him A lot of torque at low RPM combined with good traction But of course, the driver always has an influence.
An LSD brings a lot on the Ring that is clear. I did not expect so much as it really does by the way. An LSD made my car turn easier as well. Less understeer, more controllable oversteer which helps the car turn with the throttle. In the end it is much more fun as well

[NYC6]

Originally Posted by Steved

Guys, I thought you'd all like to know that the official lap time of the 1 Series M Coupe around the Nurburgring is 8:12, which is 10 seconds per lap quicker than the E46 M3 was.


BMWs Compared:

• E46 M3 CSL - 7:50
• E90/E92 M3 - 8:05
• E63 M6 - 8:09
• 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Z4 M-Coupe - 8:12
• E60 M5 - 8:13
• Alpina B3 Biturbo - 8:14
• Z4 M-Roadster - 8:15
• Alpina Roadster S (Z4) - 8:15
• E46 M3 - 8:22
• 335i E92 Coupe - 8:26

Other Models Compared:

• 911 Carrera S PDK (997.5) - 7:50
• Audi R8 4.2 - 8:04
• Cayman S - 8:04 (by Walter Röhrl)
• Audi RS4 - 8:09
• Audi TT-RS - 8:09
• BMW 1 series M coupe - 8:12
• Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 8:13
• Mercedes C63 AMG PP - 8:13
• Corvette C6 - 8:15
• Cayman S - 8:16 (Sport Auto)
• Porsche Boxter S (987.5) - 8:18
• Lexus IS-F - 8:18
• 2010 VW Golf R - 8:23
• Audi S5 (2007) - 8:26
• Audi TT-S (2008) - 8:29
  

As a Corvette Z51 owner I noticed your time posted was off a bit. Just for clarification the C6 Z51 Vette laps the Ring in 7:59.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

[tweeter81]

Originally Posted by NYC6

As a Corvette Z51 owner I noticed your time posted was off a bit. Just for clarification the C6 Z51 Vette laps the Ring in 7:59.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times

Good catch. I thought that number looked high as well, just was too lazy to correct it.

Here's another one, this time from GM's V-series:

2004 Cadillac CTS-V - lap time = 8:19 (on the world's crappiest runflats (Goodyear F1s) and in the wet, supposedly)

[NYC6]

Those runflats do suck. I replaced my GY's with Bridgestone Pole Position RF's. They're alot better than the GY's. Quieter, better traction and longer wearing.

[Kayani_1]

Wow, you can't be serious.

Last time I checked the Vette did not have any back seats. Also, the fit and finish is not up to par. The Vette is very plasticky and the interior looks out dated and blah. A new base Vette also costs appx. $49K which is not cheap. On the other hand the 1M actually has back seats that can be used. The fit and finish as well as the interior is much better then Vettes.

If going fast is the only thing then one can tie a rocket behind a card board box and you will go plenty fast. That is not to say that Vette is like a card board box. But rather that Vette is more of a pure sports car with no back seats vs 1M.

Originally Posted by oasis3582

C6 vette ran it under 8 minutes before the power bump according the Fastest Laps.

I think the 1M time is very disappointing.

[marcel b]

On a German Forum I read today that the 1M coupe runs a 08:08 on the Ring, only 3 seconds slower then a standard M3 (without competition package) Impressive

[TUNEDM3]

Originally Posted by marcel b

On a German Forum I read today that the 1M coupe runs a 08:08 on the Ring, only 3 seconds slower then a standard M3 (without competition package) Impressive

I believe it...with slight modifications to up the boost a bit I will venture to say that the 1m will be faster around the ring then the E9x M3. I have never driven the ring, but based on what I have seen its a power track.

Alot of North American circuits such as Lime Rock, Summit Point, NJMP the 1M might be able to edge out the M3 in its stock form. It has more tq out of the corners and is 300lbs lighter which will allow you to go deeper in the braking zones. The M3 wont have long enough straights to use that higher HP, which would be negated anyways in the braking zones.

[conneem-TT]

Originally Posted by marcel b

On a German Forum I read today that the 1M coupe runs a 08:08 on the Ring, only 3 seconds slower then a standard M3 (without competition package) Impressive

Do you know what tyres it was on? The M3 was on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup + for the SportAuto 8:05 lap.

[marcel b]

Originally Posted by conneem-TT

Do you know what tyres it was on? The M3 was on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup + for the SportAuto 8:05 lap.

No, but I read that the 1M is on Michelin PS2. BMW does not use the Cup+ anymore...
please note, the times I am referring are BMW internal times, the one you are mentioning is the time driven by HvS for Sport Auto using the M3 with cup+ tires, which is normally slower then the times the test drivers are driving.(logical)
The normal M3 seems to have an internal ring time of 08:05, so only 3 seconds faster then the 1M. Of course, a M3 with competition package is faster:-)

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by marcel b

No, but I read that the 1M is on Michelin PS2. BMW does not use the Cup+ anymore...
please note, the times I am referring are BMW internal times, the one you are mentioning is the time driven by HvS for Sport Auto using the M3 with cup+ tires, which is normally slower then the times the test drivers are driving.(logical)
The normal M3 seems to have an internal ring time of 08:05, so only 3 seconds faster then the 1M. Of course, a M3 with competition package is faster:-)

I wonder if they are holding back the true lap times? After reading your comments on driving on the ring and saying so much factors are to be taken in consideratoin, I would not be surprised come spring/summer the lap times will equal those of the current M3 or do better

also credits to emmdrei (sorry)

[superchargedman]

Do u have a link to the source for that time?
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcel b
On a German Forum I read today that the 1M coupe runs a 08:08 on the Ring, only 3 seconds slower then a standard M3 (without competition package) Impressive

[Kurt_OH]

Originally Posted by TUNEDM3

I believe it...with slight modifications to RACE WALLETS I will venture to say that the more highly modified vehicle will be faster around the ring then the stock vehicle

Fixed.

[YVES1M]

WOW, verrrry happy with that time

[JB135MDCT]

Originally Posted by gs/e60/1m?

I wonder if they are holding back the true lap times? After reading your comments on driving on the ring and saying so much factors are to be taken in consideratoin, I would not be surprised come spring/summer the lap times will equal those of the current M3 or do better

also credits to emmdrei (sorry)

So the "is" car is as fast as the "M" car?

[Grey Dove]

Originally Posted by JB135MDCT

So the "is" car is as fast as the "M" car?

I must fermely disagree! It should be the "tii" is as fast..... QUOTE

[Kurt_OH]

WRX STI Spec C: 8:06
Evo IX: 8:11

Ouch