Stagger or Not

[135BANDIT]

Hi after a mishap with a recent Group Buy , I am still on the hunt to replace the shoes on my Missile.

Need advice on whether to use a stagger set up or use the same size back and front - whats the difference ?

Also any links of pictures with a 135 with GTC rims in Anthracite black would be great.

Finally anyone know of a local vendor for PSS tyres that remains competitive with Tirerack.


JD

[RaihaX]

Stagger for looks or square setup for track usage?

Pm Vans for PSS locally.

mine is matte black not sure if that is anthracite black. (you can look at some of my older threads that I posted pics on)

[135BANDIT]

thanks - I wont track the car , so i guess the stagger is the way forward.

JD

[flinchy]

even not for tracking, you'll notice better handling on the street

and arguably a good square setup looks better than staggered anyway, especially as going square can require some lower offset on one end or the other, and errrrone loves dish ^_^

i'd rather an a few mm of offset than an inch of stagger personally.

[MrBlonde]

Stagger all the way

[_Ryan_]

Originally Posted by flinchy

even not for tracking, you'll notice better handling on the street

and arguably a good square setup looks better than staggered anyway, especially as going square can require some lower offset on one end or the other, and errrrone loves dish ^_^

i'd rather an a few mm of offset than an inch of stagger personally.

+1

[Stuart@BMRAutowerkes]

Stagger for sure.

Thinner/narrower wheels can't have more dish even if it has lower offset. Dish and concavity is a function of offset and width combined, with width being the main driver behind on it.

On a 135i, you'll definitely appreciate the ability to run 255s in the back.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by bmroxm5

Stagger for sure.

Thinner/narrower wheels can't have more dish even if it has lower offset. Dish and concavity is a function of offset and width combined, with width being the main driver behind on it.

On a 135i, you'll definitely appreciate the ability to run 255s in the back.

Naw offset gives more dish than width.. To fit a wider wheel you raise the offset which moves the lip in

Narrower means you can run lower relative offset, not just outright lower. Though yes offset a with width b+1 will have more dish than just 'b'

I have a good web based tool that generates graphical wheels if you dont believe me

Youre right about the 255 though.. You could actually easily fit 265 even, no scrub.

[flinchy]

oh that's just amazing!

[jksgoh]

a little OT, but can someone actually explain to me why thinner tyres = less grip... it has been bugging me for years and i can't find an explanation.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jksgoh

a little OT, but can someone actually explain to me why thinner tyres = less grip... it has been bugging me for years and i can't find an explanation.

friction

thinner tyres mean less chance of aqua planing due to more pressure being put down per square inch of tyre

[jksgoh]

Originally Posted by flinchy

friction

thinner tyres mean less chance of aqua planing due to more pressure being put down per square inch of tyre

um, yes, so that would mean a thinner tyre would have more grip?, which is why i dont understand why a wider tyre has more grip

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by jksgoh

um, yes, so that would mean a thinner tyre would have more grip?, which is why i dont understand why a wider tyre has more grip

thinner tyre has less friction, the friction moving rubber generates = far more grip

that's probably the biggest reason.

[TimMc]

Originally Posted by flinchy

thinner tyre has less friction, the friction moving rubber generates = far more grip

that's probably the biggest reason.

As I understand it from my high school physics, "grip" is a product of the relevant coefficient of friction multiplied by the downwards force/weight. Width technically has nothing to do with it. Of course a thinner tyre will heat up/overheat much more quickly & then lose grip and wider tyres tend to be softer & hence have a higher coefficient of friction...

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by TimMc

As I understand it from my high school physics, "grip" is a product of the relevant coefficient of friction multiplied by the downwards force/weight. Width technically has nothing to do with it. Of course a thinner tyre will heat up/overheat much more quickly & then lose grip and wider tyres tend to be softer & hence have a higher coefficient of friction...

mhmmm!

so more contact patch and being able to hold more heat

though most of the heat isn't from the downwards pressure/weight, it's left to right with pressure changes and the shifting of the weight.. and rotation related friction, more rubber = more grip.. to a point of course./.. though i don't think i've heard too much on a tracked car having tyres that were 'too wide', though you'd hit a point where it'd be hard to turn i guess?

going by what you say, you'd almost have more grip going by a heavier car with a wider/softer tyre, where the reality is lighter car with the same.. though we all know you then have more force with which to break traction, and grip is rarely an issue only in a straight line

[Stuart@BMRAutowerkes]

Originally Posted by flinchy

Naw offset gives more dish than width.. To fit a wider wheel you raise the offset which moves the lip in

Narrower means you can run lower relative offset, not just outright lower. Though yes offset a with width b+1 will have more dish than just 'b'

I have a good web based tool that generates graphical wheels if you dont believe me

Youre right about the 255 though.. You could actually easily fit 265 even, no scrub.

OK interesting point,

I'd still take staggered over square on a high powered 135i

Not sure of many 265 setups anyone done this personally?

[510135]

Pretty sure Vinney is running 265 rear!

[Mechz]

I run stagger and I got a wheel balance done the other day, they put the wide ones on the front!

They were kind enough to put them the right way round again for no extra charge.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by Mechz

I run stagger and I got a wheel balance done the other day, they put the wide ones on the front!

They were kind enough to put them the right way round again for no extra charge.

LMFAO, btw how is kmart auto these days?

[Mechz]

Originally Posted by pavo335

LMFAO, btw how is kmart auto these days?

Tyrepower Hawthorn actually. Can't blame them too much, I think I have 205s on the front and 215s on the back.

[Harlequin]

Isn't Adrian running Square 265s? (He does have a widebody kit though...)

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by bmroxm5

OK interesting point,

I'd still take staggered over square on a high powered 135i

Not sure of many 265 setups anyone done this personally?

i'm running 9.5" on the rear, i only have a 245 but will easily fit a 265 within the guards. is what i'll have when the current ones wear out

Originally Posted by Harlequin

Isn't Adrian running Square 265s? (He does have a widebody kit though...)

yeah so he can fit way wider up the front >_<