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      02-19-2015, 08:32 AM   #1
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MJ vs Kobe

Hi all,

I was doing some searching and found this (I hope this isn't a re post). I think there is NO argument who is a better player. MJ was superior pretty much in every category. One exception might be that Kobe was a better 3 point shooter.

And the gap between them gets wider in playoffs AND even more in finals where the greatness is measured. This doesn't make Kobe a bad player, but not as good as MJ, not even close.

IMO, the major difference between them is that MJ was a much better defender and a leader. And MJ's numbers would have been better if it wasn't for his 2 year farewell with Washington

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http://swishnba.com/2013/06/07/kobe-...13-comparison/


MVP:

Kobe: 1 – Second in MVP voting once, third in MVP voting three times

MJ: 5 – Second in MVP voting 3 times, third in MVP voting twice

Championships:

Kobe: 5

MJ: 6

Finals MVP:

Kobe: 2

MJ: *6 – only player to win 3 straight Finals MVPs multiple times (Shaq did it from 00-02)

DPOY (Defensive Player of the Year)

Kobe: 0 – finished 3rd once

MJ: 1 – finished top 5 seven times

ROTY: (Rookie of the Year)

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1 – As a rookie MJ led his team in points, rebounds, assists and steals

Scoring Champion:

Kobe: 2 – led the league in total points scored 4 times

MJ: *10 – led the league in total points scored 11 times

Steals Champion:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Scoring Title and MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *5 – (88, 91, 92, 96, 98)

Scoring Title and Steals title in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *3 – (88, 90, 93)

Scoring Title and DPOY in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *1 – (88) – The year MJ won DPOY he led the league in steals (total and average) and points (total and average)

Scoring Title and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *6 – only player to do this multiple times. – (91-93, 96-98)

Scoring Title, MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98)

MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *4 – (91, 92, 96 & 98)

MVP, All Star MVP and Finals MVP in the same season

Kobe: 0

MJ: *2 – only person to do it multiple times

Season Totals

Games Played:

Kobe: 1239

MJ: 1072

Minutes played:

Kobe: 45,390

MJ: 41,011

Seasons over 2000 points

Kobe: 8

MJ: 11

Seasons over 2500 points

Kobe: 1

MJ: 6

Seasons over 2750 points

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Seasons over 3000 points

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 50 blocks

Kobe: 4

MJ: 8

Seasons over 75 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: 4

Seasons over 100 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: 2

Seasons over 100 steals

Kobe: 11

MJ: 12

Seasons over 150 steals

Kobe: 2

MJ: 9

Seasons over 200 steals

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 250 steals

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 200 steals and 100 blocks

Kobe: 0

MJ: *2 – only person to do it multiple times (Pippen and Hakeem did it once each)

Seasons over 300 assists

Kobe: 13

MJ: 12

Seasons over 400 assists

Kobe: 5

MJ: 7

Seasons over 500 assists

Kobe: 0

MJ: 2

Seasons over 600 assists

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 400 rebounds

Kobe: 9

MJ: 12

Seasons over 450 rebounds

Kobe: 2

MJ: 7

Seasons over 500 rebounds

Kobe: 2

MJ: 6

Seasons over 550 rebounds

Kobe: 1

MJ: 2

Seasons over 600 rebounds

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 650 rebounds

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons over 40% shooting

Kobe: 17

MJ: 15

Seasons over 45% shooting

Kobe: 12

MJ: 12

Seasons over 46% shooting

Kobe: 7

MJ: 11

Seasons over 47% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 10

Seasons over 48% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 10

Seasons over 49% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Seasons over 50% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 51% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 4

Seasons over 53% shooting

Kobe: 0

MJ: 3

Seasons under 25% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 25% from 3

Kobe: 17

MJ: 9

Seasons shooting over 30% from 3

Kobe: 15

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 31% from 3

Kobe: 13

MJ: 6

Seasons shooting over 32% from 3

Kobe: 12

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 33% from 3

Kobe: 8

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 34% from 3

Kobe: 7

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 35% from 3

Kobe: 4

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 36% from 3

Kobe: 3

MJ: 5

Seasons shooting over 37% from 3

Kobe: 2

MJ: 4

Seasons shooting over 38% from 3

Kobe: 1

MJ: 2

Seasons shooting over 40% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Seasons shooting over 50% from 3

Kobe: 0

MJ: 1

Regular Season (per game):

Points per game:

Kobe: 25.5

MJ: *30.1

Rebounds per game:

Kobe: 5.3

MJ: 6.2

Assists per game:

Kobe: 4.8

MJ: 5.3

Steals per game:

Kobe: 1.5

MJ: 2.3

Blocks per game:

Kobe: 0.5

MJ: 0.8

FG%

Kobe: .454

MJ: .497

FT%

Kobe: .838

MJ: .835

3PT%

Kobe: .336

MJ: .327

Turnovers per game:

Kobe: 3.0

MJ: 2.7

Clutch:

Kobe: 46 for 155 (29.7%)

MJ: *33 for 58 (56.9%)

Regular Season (advanced metrics):

PER: (Player Efficiency Rating – A measure of per minute production)

Kobe: 23.4 (19th all time) – Finished third once, fifth four times and sixth twice

MJ: *27.9 (1st all time) – Finished first seven times, second three times and fourth once

WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player per 48 mins – league average is approximately .100)

Kobe: .183 (29th all time) – Finished fourth once, seventh once and 8th in the league four times

MJ: *.250 (1st all time) – Finished first eight times, second once and third twice.

Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player

Kobe: 173.33 (14th) – Finished fourth in the league three times and fifth once

MJ: 214.02 (4th) – Finished first in the league nine times and second twice

Offensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his offence

Kobe: 123.84 (9th) – Finished second in the league once and third in the league once

MJ: 149.88 (4th) – Finished first eight times and second three times.

Defensive Win Shares (Total all time) – An estimate of the number of wins contributed by a player due to his defence

Kobe: 49.5 (46th) – Finished tenth in the league once.

MJ: 64.1 (21st) 0 Finished second once, third once, fourth once and fifth three times.

Post Season (per game):

Points per game:

Kobe: 25.6

MJ: *33.4

Rebounds per game:

Kobe: 5.1

MJ: 6.4

Assists per game:

Kobe: 4.7

MJ: 5.7

Steals per game:

Kobe: 1.4

MJ: 2.1

Blocks per game:

Kobe: 0.7

MJ: 0.9

FG%

Kobe: .448%

MJ: .487%

FT%

Kobe: .816

MJ: .828

3PT%

Kobe: .331

MJ: .332

Turnovers per game:

Kobe: 2.9

MJ: 3.1

Clutch:

Kobe: 7 for 28 (25%)

MJ: *9 for 18 (50%)

Post Season (advanced metrics):

PER: (Player Efficiency Rating)

Kobe: 22.40 (22nd)

MJ: *28.60

WS/48 (Win Shares per 48 minutes)

Kobe: .1570 (46th)

MJ: *.2553

Win Shares (Total all time)

Kobe: 28.26 (8th)

MJ: *39.76

Offensive Win Shares (Total all time)

Kobe: 20.97 (5th)

MJ: *27.32

Leaders (Reg Season): (How many times has each player led the league in…)

PER:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 7

Offensive Win Shares

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Win Shares:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 9

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

Leaders (Post Season) : (How many times has each player led the league in…)

PER:

Kobe: 0

MJ: 6

Offensive Win Shares

Kobe: 0

MJ: 7

Win Shares:

Kobe: 1

MJ: 9

Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

Kobe: 0

MJ: 8

NBA Finals Averages

Kobe – 37 games: 25.3ppg, 5.7rpg, 5.05apg, 1.76spg, 0.9bpg, 41.2% FG, 31.3%3pt, 84.7% FT

MJ – 35 games: 33.6ppg, 6.02rpg, 5.97apg, 1.77spg, 0.65bpg, 48.1% FG, 36.8%3pt, 80.6% FT

Kobe’s NBA Finals Performances

2000 NBA Finals – 15.6ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.2apg, 1.0spg, 1.4bpg, 36.7% FG, 20.0% 3pt FG, 90.9% FT% – W (win)

2001 NBA Finals – 24.6ppg, 7.8rpg, 5.8apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 41.5% FG, 33.3% FT% - W

2002 NBA Finals – 26.8ppg, 5.8rpg, 5.3apg, 1.5spg, 0.8bpg, 51.4% FG, 54.5% 3PT, 80.6% FT – W

2004 NBA Finals – 22.6ppg, 2.8rpg, 4.4apg, 1.8spg, 0.6bpg, 38.1% FG, 17.4% 3PT, 92.0% FT – L

2008 NBA Finals – 25.7ppg, 4.7rpg, 5.0apg, 2.7spg, 0.2bpg, 40.5% FG, 32.1% 3PT, 79.6% FT – L

2009 NBA Finals – 32.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 7.4apg, 1.4spg, 1.4bpg, 43.0% FG, 36.0 3PT%, 84.1% FT – W - Finals MVP

2010 NBA Finals – 28.6ppg, 8.0rpg, 3.9apg, 2.1spg, 0.7bpg, 40.5% FG, 31.9 3PT%, 88.3% FT – W – Finals MVP

Michael Jordan’s NBA Finals Performances

1991 NBA Final: 31.2ppg, 6.6rpg, 11.4apg, 2,8spg, 1.4bpg, 55% FG, 50% 3PT, 84.8% FT – W – Finals MVP

1992 NBA final: 35.8ppg, 4.8rpg, 6.5apg, 1.7spg, 0.3bpg, 52.6% FG, 42.9 3PT%, 89.1% FT – W – Finals MVP

1993 NBA final: 41.0ppg (NBA Finals record), 8.5rpg, 6.3apg, 1.7spg, 0.7bpg, 50.8% FG, 40.0% 3PT, 69.4% FT – W – Finals MVP

1996 NBA Final: 27.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.2apg, 1.7spg, 0.2bpg, 41% FG, 31.6% 3PT, 83.6% FT – W – Finals MVP

1997 NBA Final: 32.3ppg, 7.0rpg, 6.0apg, 1.2spg, 0.8bpg, 45.6%FG, 32.0% 3PT, 76.4% FT – W – Finals MVP

1998 NBA Final: 33.5ppg, 4.0rpg, 2.3apg, 1.8spg, 0.7bpg, 42.7% FG, 30.8 3PT%, 81.4% FT – W - Finals MVP
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Kobe spent his whole life trying to be MJ.

MJ spent his whole life being MJ.

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Put this in the sports lounge. People still watch basketball?
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Put this in the sports lounge. People still watch basketball?
I do
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Kobe will retire with 3 championships led by another guy...

MJ retired with 6 with a 2 year intermission led by himself.

Mj can't really be compared to anyone in professional sports, much less basketball. Also, remember that he was in the NBA at a time when it exploded on a global level and was at it's height, then factor in the entire Air Jordan legacy, the dunk contest, the defensive wins and the all star wins as well as the Dream Teams (that were at the time legendary).
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Put this in the sports lounge. People still watch basketball?
Not everyone is into football or baseball... 1 of which is led by an idiot in a sport where physics wins and the other makes me fall asleep in minutes.
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Not everyone is into football or baseball... 1 of which is led by an idiot in a sport where physics wins and the other makes me fall asleep in minutes.
Barking up the wrong tree. I don't watch any sports except F1, which I'm barely hanging onto.
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Barking up the wrong tree. I don't watch any sports except F1, which I'm barely hanging onto.
Hey, we agree on all accounts... although watching any car racing on tv may be worse than baseball and I am a car enthusiast.
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MJ missed two full years in his prime, and still came back as the best in the game. His competitive drive was more than most anyone. He got a ton of calls but he was not the whiny bitch Kobe seems to be.
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As I said Kobe is a great player. And he could have been even better player if it wasn't for his gigantic ego...

Nevertheless, it is unfair for both MJ and Kobe to be compared to each other bc MJ is from a league where there is no one else...Kobe is just another great player, which is not bad at all...
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Kelly Slater has 11 World Championships. Surfers are the best athletes in the world.
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Kobe spent his whole life trying to be MJ.

MJ spent his whole life being MJ.

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well said. No one honestly can compare to MJ. Stats might be close but the legacy of MJ is still far beyond kobes.
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Barking up the wrong tree. I don't watch any sports except F1, which I'm barely hanging onto.
F1 is literally the most boring thing to watch on the planet at this point in time. I'm like you, I only watch the "races" now at 4x speed after recording them.
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MJ missed two full years in his prime, and still came back as the best in the game. His competitive drive was more than most anyone. He got a ton of calls but he was not the whiny bitch Kobe seems to be.
I'm not being an argumentative jerk here, but Jordan didn't exactly miss a whole two years. He wasn't quite himself when the Bulls lost to the Magic in the playoffs in that second year (1995), but he was still there. I'll never forget watching MJ bounce that ball of his foot near the end of the game, it was the first time he ever looked human to me.

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Kelly Slater has 11 World Championships. Surfers are the best athletes in the world.
What about Ricky Carmichael?
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What about Ricky Carmichael?
Uhhh who?
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Motorcross. 15 national championships, 3 perfect seasons. Get out a little I know who a slater is.
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OK I will get out... into the ocean
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OK I will get out... into the ocean
Surfing is rough. I suck at it the times I've done it have been humbling. Lot better on a dirt bike.
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Yeah people don't realize that most of the effort spent surfing is just getting out there and catching the wave. If you spend three hours in the water you probably spend a few minutes actually riding the waves. And that's the art of it, what makes great surfers, knowing where to go, what wave to go for.
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Yeah people don't realize that most of the effort spent surfing is just getting out there and catching the wave. If you spend three hours in the water you probably spend a few minutes actually riding the waves. And that's the art of it, what makes great surfers, knowing where to go, what wave to go for.
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