M Twin Power Turbo 0W-40

[CarJunkie]

I have put on 5k miles since putting in the Motul 5w40. I had zero consumption for the first 4k miles which included two hot autocross days and a track day with 110 minutes of track time in 70-80 degree weather. I have been working on a custom tune, so there has been a lot of aggressive driving in between also, and with new FMIC about 2 weeks ago, the power level has gone up a few notches.

My oil level dropped 1/2 qt in the past 1000 miles, still read full on my way home from the track on September 10. It is either the more aggressive tune with more blow-by, or the oil is just done and is breaking down, which would suggest that it just isn't as good as the BMW/Castrol stuff. I will probably put in an OCC this winter to allow me to monitor that. I will go back to BMW 5w30 next time (I still have 3qts, so only have to buy 4) and compare.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

I have put on 5k miles since putting in the Motul 5w40. I had zero consumption for the first 4k miles which included two hot autocross days and a track day with 110 minutes of track time in 70-80 degree weather. I have been working on a custom tune, so there has been a lot of aggressive driving in between also, and with new FMIC about 2 weeks ago, the power level has gone up a few notches.

My oil level dropped 1/2 qt in the past 1000 miles, still read full on my way home from the track on September 10. It is either the more aggressive tune with more blow-by, or the oil is just done and is breaking down, which would suggest that it just isn't as good as the BMW/Castrol stuff. I will probably put in an OCC this winter to allow me to monitor that. I will go back to BMW 5w30 next time (I still have 3qts, so only have to buy 4) and compare.

Just remember the new BMW stuff is Shell oil now. It's no longer Castrol.

[ayao]

Originally Posted by CarJunkie

I have put on 5k miles since putting in the Motul 5w40. I had zero consumption for the first 4k miles which included two hot autocross days and a track day with 110 minutes of track time in 70-80 degree weather. I have been working on a custom tune, so there has been a lot of aggressive driving in between also, and with new FMIC about 2 weeks ago, the power level has gone up a few notches.

My oil level dropped 1/2 qt in the past 1000 miles, still read full on my way home from the track on September 10. It is either the more aggressive tune with more blow-by, or the oil is just done and is breaking down, which would suggest that it just isn't as good as the BMW/Castrol stuff. I will probably put in an OCC this winter to allow me to monitor that. I will go back to BMW 5w30 next time (I still have 3qts, so only have to buy 4) and compare.

I had one fill of Motul 5W-40 shear down to a 5W-30 weight based on a Blackstone analysis. This is over ~ 2500 miles. Wasn't sure what to make of it. Am running another fill of the same stuff to see if it happens again.

[CarJunkie]

Interesting. Maybe I'll buy 4 qts of the castrol branded stuff rather than mix and match. I need to order a blackstone kit so I can send a sample, hadn't thought of that.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by ayao

In case you are interested, Amazon warehouse deals currently has a 4 pack of 5L jugs of this oil for $125.

That's a good price! That is the only oil I use in my 135.

[MightyMouseTech]

And to update this thread, anybody using the M Power 0W40 in their cars?

Trying to find specs on this oil, but Shell/Pennzoil do not sell a consumer version of the 0W40 LL-01 as far as I can tell.

I would really like to run a 0W oil, the thinner the better at startup.

I really like the stats on the 5W40 Pennzoil Euro over the Motul 8100 5W40. If I can find a similar oil with even thinner viscosity at 40C and a lower pour point, that would be ideal.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

And to update this thread, anybody using the M Power 0W40 in their cars?

Trying to find specs on this oil, but Shell/Pennzoil do not sell a consumer version of the 0W40 LL-01 as far as I can tell.

I would really like to run a 0W oil, the thinner the better at startup.

I really like the stats on the 5W40 Pennzoil Euro over the Motul 8100 5W40. If I can find a similar oil with even thinner viscosity at 40C and a lower pour point, that would be ideal.

You're right, I looked at the spec sheet for 0W-40 Pennzoil Platinum and they don't list LL-01. When I spoke to Shell, they told me they don't make a BMW specific version. They told me the 5W-30 in the Pennzoil Euro Platinum LL-01 is the same stuff that goes into the BMW bottles. Maybe they haven't gone updated their documentation but you can actually call and speak to them. I spoke to a Customer Service rep who took my number and an engineer called me back a few days later. I would definitely just buy the BMW stuff this time since it's probably the best at the moment and Ottawa can get cold, unlike here in Southern California.

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by nachob

You're right, I looked at the spec sheet for 0W-40 Pennzoil Platinum and they don't list LL-01. When I spoke to Shell, they told me they don't make a BMW specific version. They told me the 5W-30 in the Pennzoil Euro Platinum LL-01 is the same stuff that goes into the BMW bottles. Maybe they haven't gone updated their documentation but you can actually call and speak to them. I spoke to a Customer Service rep who took my number and an engineer called me back a few days later. I would definitely just buy the BMW stuff this time since it's probably the best at the moment and Ottawa can get cold, unlike here in Southern California.

Talked to a friend that works in parts at BMW. They carry 0W20, 0W30, 0W40, 5W30 and 10W60 in the new Twin Power Turbo oils. They are all LL-01, and I would assume they are all from Shell now. I guess the 0W40 is made specifically for BMW and only sold through the dealer network.

I don't drive the car in the winter, but even in the spring, can be below freezing.

Guess I will give it a shot, maybe have an analysis done after 6000 km.

[nachob]

Update: June 4, 2017
I was at my local BMW parts counter and I saw this chart that the dealer gets. Notice it now actually shows the Pennzoil logo, as I mentioned, Shell is sold in the US as Pennzoil Platinum Euro. Notice also that the 5W-30 oil that the dealer would put in our cars today only has 2 dots of wear protection and temperature stability whereas the new Twin Turbo 0W-40 has 4 dots for wear protection and 3for temperature stability.

They now put 0w-30 in the M cars which have similar ratings per Pennzoil/Shell/BMW but if you drive your 1M into the dealer they will put 5W-30 because that is what it came with. It is probably fine but according to them, the new stuff is better. I recently switched to the M Twin Turbo 0W-40 but had to request it!

The reason I put the screen capture showing it is certified for 1M from BMW Eruope sight is because US dealers don' know anything about the 0W-40 oil.

You can see in the chart is the oil for maximum performance and certified for our cars but you have to specify it!!

[CarJunkie]

Good info!

[1mGator]

Nacho - switched to Motul

[etr2016]

I've been using Motul in my VW's for quite some time with really good oil analysis results (I've put 190k miles on my polluting diesel and the engine is great). I plan to switch over to Motul for the 1M once I use up the remainder of all the BMW oil I purchased. Right now I'm changing oil at extremely short intervals, but still want to switch.

The problem with a car like the 1M is that the dealer has no idea because the car is very rarely seen by them. I have to tell them each time what to do (they did my trans, diff, etc). When I first bought my VW TDI I did my own oil changes, even though they were free and included in VW's service package, because I had read so many stories of the dealers putting the wrong oil in them when they came out.

[ayao]

I get the feeling that Castrol 0W-40 LL-01 will be the value leader. I'm talking about the $25.98/5L jug stuff at Walmart ($22.98 on sale, <$20 occasionally on Amazon.) I will probably run the stuff for my next oil change. In the end, I think that the stuff is all equivalent from an engine longevity standpoint. I've used BMW 5W-30 / M1 0W-40 / Castrol GC 0W-30 / Motul X-cess 5W-40 and none have looked substantively better than the other on UOAs. In the end I suspect any LL01 oil will be fine and it just makes most sense to use the one that is the cheapest to acquire.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by ayao

I get the feeling that Castrol 0W-40 LL-01 will be the value leader. I'm talking about the $25.98/5L jug stuff at Walmart ($22.98 on sale, <$20 occasionally on Amazon.) I will probably run the stuff for my next oil change. In the end, I think that the stuff is all equivalent from an engine longevity standpoint. I've used BMW 5W-30 / M1 0W-40 / Castrol GC 0W-30 / Motul X-cess 5W-40 and none have looked substantively better than the other on UOAs. In the end I suspect any LL01 oil will be fine and it just makes most sense to use the one that is the cheapest to acquire.

Yes they are all fine and if you are looking for value, the Castrol is fine as are any of the approved BMW oils. But I was looking at it in terms of the best oil for our cars when having them serviced at dealer or trying to stay with Certified oils. I'm ok spending a little extra for even a slight edge in protection since my car is only driver 3-4K per year so I only change it once a year now. It's also not stored for months at a time like winter states where the oil can accumulate condensation etc. Anyway, from my limited research Motul is certified and has a great reputation in racing and would use it myself but many here take it to the dealer and they will put the 5w-30 BMW unless you ask for it. Also Shell oil claims to be made from liquified gas stock which would have less impurities than other "synthetics" that are based on engineered petroleum stock. I believe Castrol products start from a petroleum base but I have not confirmed that myself. So that makes Shell oils a little different.

So my main point is that if you get your oil changed at dealer you should consider asking for the M 0W-40. If you change yourself you can use any oil you want that is LL-01 and the right viscosity for your environment and driving conditions.

[ayao]

Out of curiosity is there a cost differential at the dealer 0w-40 vs 5w-30?

[nachob]

Originally Posted by ayao

Out of curiosity is there a cost differential at the dealer 0w-40 vs 5w-30?

Yes and no!

Ok if you drive in a 135i into my dealer and they put BMW 5w-30 they charge $90 plus tax. If you drive in a 1M they charge you $159 for the exact same oil change but if you specify 0W-40 M Oil there is no extra charge. So I just paid the regular M car price but asked for the 0W-40. I could probably go to other dealer and get it for less but they take really good care of my car. They don't test drive and park it out front in the shade, not under the bird nests like the other cars so that's the price difference.

If anyone out there gets it, let us know what you paid. I also just put this in my 2003 330i ZHP and it feels a little more "eager" in the morning after cold start.

I was able to buy it for about $9.60 per liter which is actually less than the Pennzoil which sells by the quart for same price. A litter is larger than a quart.

[MFNATIK]

Great thread!!

[GAZ 345]

any uk bmw tech's confirm if they use 5-30 or 0-40 for uk 1M,my oil supplier recomends
castrol edge 0-30 5-30,5-40 & shell helix ultra5-30 all LL04 bmw approved,he also sells castrol edge 0-40 which is not recomended for 1M but in the spec is bmw LL01 approved, there are other brands as well which are 5-30-5-40,he does not sell 0-40 shell helix ultra,but on the shell web site there 0-40 does not say bmw approval,so what is bmw uk using, shell/castrol,5-30 or 0-40??

[nachob]

Originally Posted by GAZ 345

any uk bmw tech's confirm if they use 5-30 or 0-40 for uk 1M,my oil supplier recomends
castrol edge 0-30 5-30,5-40 & shell helix ultra5-30 all LL04 bmw approved,he also sells castrol edge 0-40 which is not recomended for 1M but in the spec is bmw LL01 approved, there are other brands as well which are 5-30-5-40,he does not sell 0-40 shell helix ultra,but on the shell web site there 0-40 does not say bmw approval,so what is bmw uk using, shell/castrol,5-30 or 0-40??

I'm not in Europe but Oil formulations are different in Europe. This was confirmed by my discussions with Castrol and Shell representatives. The BMW 0W-40 is LL-01 mad made by shell not Castrol. Here in US Castrol Edge 5W-40 Is LL01 approved and standard on GTI MKV but Shell BMW 0W-40 is made differently than Castrol. You should be able to buy BMW 0W-40. As far as recommendations go, remember these were made years ago when 1M was new. There are better oils now. That is why I put the chart that shows the previously recommended 5W-30 is considered now inferior to the new BMW 0W-30 and 0W-40. Go to page 1 of this thread and you will see that BMW 0W-40 is approved for 1M in screenshot. That came from Euro BMW site. In the US, they forgot to add 1M to the list so it won't show up to US dealers as approved but it is. It is approved for ALL turbo M cars.

[GAZ 345]

ok thank's for the info,so bmw will use shell 5-30 or the 0-40 which is better,i will be taking my own oil in for them to change,the 0-40 is not as easy to buy, but i have found a site in uk.

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/osh...170610091016:s

[MightyMouseTech]

Should update this thread.

BMW no longer carries/sells the Twin Power 0W40.

Looks like I am switching to Castrol 0W40.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by GAZ 345

ok thank's for the info,so bmw will use shell 5-30 or the 0-40 which is better,i will be taking my own oil in for them to change,the 0-40 is not as easy to buy, but i have found a site in uk.

http://www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/osh...170610091016:s

Pretty sure that's the same stuff they sell here as BMW M 0W-40. Good find for our European friends!