BMW M3 DKG (DCT) vs BMW 135i Steinbauer

mdynamics · 07-06-2008, 07:27 PM

I don't understand how was the M3 capable of pulling up that quick, its like the guy in 135i wasn't trying.

Wraith · 07-06-2008, 10:20 PM

Maybe that's the difference a 7sp gear spread and 0.2sec shifts adds to it's performance :iono:

I'd certainly like to think so anyways :smile:

Now all they (BMW) need to do is put that trans in the 135i :thumbup:

Questions though, was that M3 stock ?? torque figure displayed was 480nm ?? and did it also have both a driver and passenger like the 135i ??

Skulinex · 07-06-2008, 10:37 PM

Given that it's a different system compared to the previous M3, I've a couple of friends with e46's M3's who like to go at it every chance they get, one with manual and the other with the SMG, and no matter what start they did, the SMG one always ended up gaining on the manual one

ihatepostmodernism · 07-07-2008, 02:41 PM

the 335 is almost as fast as the 135 stock. granted the m3 is heavier, but it comes with the powerful engine, so it should be no surprise it is faster....+ the DCT

Robert · 07-07-2008, 03:47 PM

DCT knocks down another 0.2-0.3 second off of manual m3s, but I am surprised that a tuned 135i with 367whp isn't putting up a fight.

I wonder if the 135i an auto because I didn't notice m3 gaining because of 135i's slow shifts.

TunedM2C · 07-07-2008, 03:53 PM

Dual clutch systems are my first option. If the 1er had it, I'd def. get it.

MadMan77 · 07-07-2008, 03:53 PM

I certainly was not surprised by the outcome. Is anyone else?

Robert · 07-07-2008, 03:55 PM

I wasn't until I discovered 135i is tuned

Kris · 07-07-2008, 04:31 PM

That 135 seems SLOW, did it have 2 passengers?

PC Valkyrie · 07-07-2008, 04:36 PM

I for one am not suprised at all. I really don't understand why some people somehow think the 135i is a match for the E90/E92 M3. The 135i is a match for the PREVIOUS E46 M3, but the new M3 is in another league when it comes to performance. Acceleration and laptimes of the new M3 are SIGNFICANTLY better than the previous E46 M3. Simply put, the E90/E92 M3 should be faster than the 135i in EVERY way.

Even a tuned 135i simply cannot keep up with a stock new M3.

chriscecc914 · 07-07-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by robert

DCT knocks down another 0.2-0.3 second off of manual m3s, but I am surprised that a tuned 135i with 367whp isn't putting up a fight.

I wonder if the 135i an auto because I didn't notice m3 gaining because of 135i's slow shifts.

its 367hp.

Robert · 07-07-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chriscecc914

its 367hp.

I hope you are right. For most tuner they measure power at the wheel than at the crank.

Kris · 07-07-2008, 04:45 PM

367hp is more than enough power to keep up with a E92 M3 with 2 people in the car!!! There is a big weight

sciamop · 07-07-2008, 07:01 PM

The only thing wrong with this video is that it was filmed from the M3 not the 135i -- would love to have seen the E92 pull away...

E82tt6 · 07-07-2008, 08:18 PM

They must be measuring crank hp, not wheel. Even Dinan tunes 335s that are down 40+hp on that car can keep up with e92 m3s.

Dr_Jones · 07-07-2008, 08:40 PM

DCTs are great until they need service

eunosracr · 07-07-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PC Valkyrie

I for one am not suprised at all. I really don't understand why some people somehow think the 135i is a match for the E90/E92 M3. The 135i is a match for the PREVIOUS E46 M3, but the new M3 is in another league when it comes to performance. Acceleration and laptimes of the new M3 are SIGNFICANTLY better than the previous E46 M3. Simply put, the E90/E92 M3 should be faster than the 135i in EVERY way.

Even a tuned 135i simply cannot keep up with a stock new M3.

I beg to differ. I have run against 2 different e92 M3s and they barely start pulling on me till over 120. A tuned 135i can definitely hold its own against a new m3. The car has no torque as amazing as it is. Torque is what wins drag races.

aus · 07-07-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr_Jones

DCTs are great until they need service

Ther service is what has been killing the DCT!!!

And I agree that a tuned 135 should do better than that against a stock M3. What kind of gas was that guy using? Regular?
Drop a V3 with downpipes, exhaust and intake and it'll be a different story, particularly with 100 octane gas.

mdynamics · 07-07-2008, 09:26 PM

I don't expect the 135i to beat the M3, althought the 135i seems to be well tuned with 367hp, 354lbft, CF hood. The M3 would have never pulled away that fast from the 135i, DCT or not!

And the guy sounded too confident in making his point as if there wasn't a chance for the 135i. I think the 135i could have done better.

driftdriven · 07-07-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eunosracr

I beg to differ. I have run against 2 different e92 M3s and they barely start pulling on me till over 120. A tuned 135i can definitely hold its own against a new m3. The car has no torque as amazing as it is. Torque is what wins drag races.

What is done to your car compared to the E92 M3?

I am surprised that the outcome was so significant.

mdynamics · 07-07-2008, 09:37 PM

I guess when compared to the M3 CSL the 135i didn't do poorly when they are almost equal.

BMW M3 E92 6-speed vs BMW M3 CSL

MrRoboto · 07-07-2008, 09:38 PM

Agree. A stock M3 wont pull on a tuned 135 that fast. All the DTC is doing is speeding up the auto shift time. A good manual driver will get close.

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Robert Major General 417 Rep 6,968 Posts Drives: 135i -> is350 -> Tesla M3 perf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Socal iTrader: (1)	I wasn't until I discovered 135i is tuned __________________ - There's nothing in my pocket other than knives and lint
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Kris Colonel 123 Rep 2,295 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USOFA iTrader: (0)	That 135 seems SLOW, did it have 2 passengers?
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Kris Colonel 123 Rep 2,295 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USOFA iTrader: (0)	367hp is more than enough power to keep up with a E92 M3 with 2 people in the car!!! There is a big weight
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mdynamics Private First Class 20 Rep 106 Posts Drives: E92 M3, X3 & 325e Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	I don't expect the 135i to beat the M3, althought the 135i seems to be well tuned with 367hp, 354lbft, CF hood. The M3 would have never pulled away that fast from the 135i, DCT or not! And the guy sounded too confident in making his point as if there wasn't a chance for the 135i. I think the 135i could have done better.
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mdynamics Private First Class 20 Rep 106 Posts Drives: E92 M3, X3 & 325e Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	I guess when compared to the M3 CSL the 135i didn't do poorly when they are almost equal. BMW M3 E92 6-speed vs BMW M3 CSL
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MrRoboto Brigadier General 1846 Rep 4,836 Posts Drives: VO 1M Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Agree. A stock M3 wont pull on a tuned 135 that fast. All the DTC is doing is speeding up the auto shift time. A good manual driver will get close.
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