Motortrend Hot Lap

b33g33 · 09-02-2011, 01:23 PM

Yawn.

Is Motor Trend still being published?

Why?

///1M · 09-02-2011, 03:45 PM

Sorry, but you're not going to find me commuting, or spending any significant seat time in a 500+HP car. Just doesn't make sense in the real world (for me, at least).

The 1M hits the mark performance-wise and is a great car to live with!

ptack · 09-02-2011, 04:02 PM

You know there's a reason the Stig doesn't talk.

GoingTooFast · 09-02-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MonteCarloM3

a guy that gives his honest opinion MUST be crazy.

The problem isn't his opinion... to which he is entirely entitled... the problem is precisely his complete lack of honesty.

"Maybe because I've just spent too much time in 500-horsepower cars"?!?!?!?!?!

This is a joke, right?!...

Cayman R -> 330hp & 370 Nm of torque @ 4750 rpm

Lotus Evora S -> 350hp & 400 Nm of torque @ 4500 rpm

BMW 1M -> 340hp & 500 Nm of torque @ 1500-4500 rpm (w/ Overboost).

Even the 444hp Mustang has 515 Nm of torque and only at 4500 rpm. Randy Pobst can hate the 1M for a million of reasons BUT not because it doesn't feel fast in today's world.

gthal · 09-02-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GoingTooFast

The problem isn't his opinion... to which he is entirely entitled... the problem is precisely his complete lack of honesty.

"Maybe because I've just spent too much time in 500-horsepower cars"?!?!?!?!?!

This is a joke, right?!...

Cayman R -> 330hp & 370 Nm of torque @ 4750 rpm

Lotus Evora S -> 350hp & 400 Nm of torque @ 4500 rpm

BMW 1M -> 340hp & 500 Nm of torque @ 1500-4500 rpm (w/ Overboost).

Even the 444hp Mustang has 515 Nm of torque and only at 4500 rpm. Randy Pobst can hate the 1M for a million of reasons BUT not because it doesn't feel fast in today's world.

You're kidding right

You think he isn't being honest? Wow... someone should write to all of the car publications and tell them to never post a negative review of the 1M or else people will call them dishonest, crazy, and question their skill level

Guys, why is everyone taking this personally? He didn't tell you your spouse was dumb, fat and ugly... he just didn't love the 1M!!! It is still a great car so why is everyone so offended? Based on many responses here, there are a lot of egos tied to car selection.

Let me repeat, the 1M is still a great car. This guy is allowed to dislike it and is more qualified than any of us whether we like it or not. Even if he doesn't drool over the 1M, it is STILL a great car. Egos can stay intact.

P.S. I'm sure he has driven a ton of 500hp+ cars. I'm sure he has driven more cars than the Cayman, Lotus and Mustang you mention. Where did he say the 500hp cars driven that very day? All he said was he has driven them and inferred he is use to that level of power. What a liar!!

gthal · 09-02-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by b33g33

Yawn.

Is Motor Trend still being published?

Why?

If they loved the 1M bet you would have a different opinion.

tkbr0wn · 09-02-2011, 08:50 PM

Gthal, the point you are missing is that Randy is pretty much the ONLY reviewer that has given a completely negative review on the car. Just about every other reviewer has gushed over the car with only a few negative points here and there about the car. Is Randy really that much better than every other reviewer on the planet? Doubtful. Is every other reviewer on the planet biased? Doubtful. Is it at all possible that Randy is just trying to be different than very other reviewer or maybe possibly he's tired of hearing all the positive reviews about the car and is biased himself? Maybe, I really don't know. But him being the one lone rider on the negative review train does make his review suspect.

My .02

BlitzM · 09-02-2011, 09:28 PM

Just curious, why do M3 owners feel the need to post on this thread and support the Randy Pobst viewpoint? Seems a little weird to me. We all support the brand don't we? Why so down on the 1M. Different strokes for different folks.

erio · 09-02-2011, 10:36 PM

Be careful about posting anything negative about the 1M or the thread might get deleted/closed. There was a normal 1m vs m3 discussion going on in the "vs" section of the m3 forum when it got erased soon after the motor trend review was mentioned. All I said was that I respected Randy's opinion as a driver. Someone then commented about a 600whp kit coming out for the 1m. The 1m like the regular 1 series already has been noted to be a little jittery in high speed corners due to short wheelbase, etc. I stated that was too much power for the car on the track. I commented that it would make the car unbalanced with way to much power for the chassis unless they were planning on taking it to the drag strip. I respect the 1m for what it is and we were having a healthy discussion. Someone didn't like the direction the thread was going and it was erased.

See below:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580760

RaptorKTM · 09-02-2011, 11:34 PM

not to knock this guy, and not say im better, but I feel like this is very much a car that requires very much seat time to really be able to use appropriately, this video seems to give the impression that he is not in tune with the car, I think the 1 M requires a lot more then knowing your lines on the track to use properly. That being said still not a bad result but of course we all want to be ahead of the pack.

Manual only · 09-03-2011, 12:25 AM

He probably just doesn't like the aesthetics. Hopefully when I'm that ancient I can appreciate cars in all power ranges

rusty racer · 09-03-2011, 12:33 AM

I think the emotional response to these reviews is easy to explain. We all had the rare experience of buying a car based only on others reviews and pictures. None of us drove a 1M prior to ordering and few of us even saw it in person before ordering. We had to trust the pros to test the car for us and describe it accurately. So honestly our view of the car is strongly tied to these reviews.

Once you have the car you love it and can see why it was so well reviewed. I am still finding more n more reasons to like it every day. Reviewers though are all entitled to their opinions and they all have their own backgrounds, experiences, expectations, and goals. So fine if he doesn't like it. He can have a mustang. I will take my 1M n love it.

J

///1M · 09-03-2011, 12:49 AM

Poobst's review is very specific to a certain kind of focused track driving. With a few adjustments (tires, camber, tune), who knows how much more track focused the 1M could become?

But in stock format, the 1M is engineered perfectly for 99% of how it will be driven in the real world.

Consider the cars that got the best lap times and how they would be to live with on a daily basis.

Advevo · 09-03-2011, 04:53 AM

Consider the cars that got the best lap times and how they would be to live with on a daily basis.

Nice line.

They will be no fun at all on a daily basis. Bmw still makes a compromise car and did it very well with the 1M. People who want to go more extreme can do it themselves. The 1M is a very good base to start with.

GoingTooFast · 09-03-2011, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthal

You're kidding right

You think he isn't being honest? Wow... someone should write to all of the car publications and tell them to never post a negative review of the 1M or else people will call them dishonest, crazy, and question their skill level

Guys, why is everyone taking this personally? He didn't tell you your spouse was dumb, fat and ugly... he just didn't love the 1M!!! It is still a great car so why is everyone so offended? Based on many responses here, there are a lot of egos tied to car selection.

Let me repeat, the 1M is still a great car. This guy is allowed to dislike it and is more qualified than any of us whether we like it or not. Even if he doesn't drool over the 1M, it is STILL a great car. Egos can stay intact.

P.S. I'm sure he has driven a ton of 500hp+ cars. I'm sure he has driven more cars than the Cayman, Lotus and Mustang you mention. Where did he say the 500hp cars driven that very day? All he said was he has driven them and inferred he is use to that level of power. What a liar!!

You are missing the point completely... it's not his negative review that matters... it's HOW he justifies it!!! That can only be a joke, and not a good one either.

In all seriousness no one can say that the 1M isn't a fast car in today's world because one is very used to drive '500-horsepower cars' and then comparing it to a 330hp Cayman R, 350hp Lotus Evora S and +1700 kg (Unladen EU Weight)* Mustang with race-compound tires 'built to lap Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca faster than a BMW M3' - meaning that the M3, which can be chalanged by the 1M itself in certain circuits (Hockenheim short circuit is just an example), is a reference for a today's world fast car.

That can only be a joke... capisce?!

*Remember that the Unladen EU Weight = Weight of Car (curb weight) with 90% fuel, 68 kg driver, 7 kg cargo. The 1M's unladen EU weight is 1570kg.

Moo · 09-03-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Iwanna1M

Just curious, why do M3 owners feel the need to post on this thread and support the Randy Pobst viewpoint? Seems a little weird to me. We all support the brand don't we? Why so down on the 1M. Different strokes for different folks.

Certain M3 owners feel insecure about how the smaller, cheaper and lighter 1M has been getting such overwhelming positive assessments in the motorsport world, that's why

sibling rivalry perhaps.

GoingTooFast · 09-03-2011, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erio

The 1m like the regular 1 series already has been noted to be a little jittery in high speed corners due to short wheelbase, etc. I stated that was too much power for the car on the track. I commented that it would make the car unbalanced with way to much power for the chassis unless they were planning on taking it to the drag strip.

That would translate into massive oversteer, NOT understeer like RP is complaining about... don't you think so?!

It just goes on showing how RP's review isn't honest.

gthal · 09-03-2011, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iwanna1M

Just curious, why do M3 owners feel the need to post on this thread and support the Randy Pobst viewpoint? Seems a little weird to me. We all support the brand don't we? Why so down on the 1M. Different strokes for different folks.

I think you are misreading the posts... no one is agreeing (well, I'm not anyway) with Randy's review. I don't agree as a matter of fact and think the 1M is one of the very best options out there in and around its price. If it were a little bigger, I might seriously consider one. I am just protesting the attacks on the reviewer just because he disagrees with most of us. He is entitled to his opinion and is very qualified to make it. People react like he insulted their first born child and I just think the reaction is silly. Not everyone will love the cars we love and that's OK.

gthal · 09-03-2011, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moo

Certain M3 owners feel insecure about how the smaller, cheaper and lighter 1M has been getting such overwhelming positive assessments in the motorsport world, that's why

sibling rivalry perhaps.

No, this is not a 1M v M3 debate. The 1M has had overwhelming positive assessments... so has the M3, which is now a relatively old design and still winning almost every comparison test. They are both great cars and both lead their respective segments IMO. I don't see where you think this has become a 1M v M3 debate or where M3 owners are bashing the 1M. Not happening. This is a "grow up and stop acting like a baby because someone doesn't love the 1M" debate. It seems to me that all here, including M3 owners, agree the 1M is a great car.

GoingTooFast · 09-03-2011, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthal

People react like he insulted their first born child and I just think the reaction is silly. Not everyone will love the cars we love and that's OK.

The thing is... no one likes to be made a fool of.

If you have an opinion, the very least you can do is to properly justify it.

The 1M is a 'drift king' machine... with this car you can always induce power oversteer to counteract any understeer precisely because of it's torque and short wheelbase - the car is almost square.

gthal · 09-03-2011, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingTooFast

The thing is... no one likes to be made a fool of.

I'm not following... who is being made a fool of? IMO, no one is being made a fool here. Please explain.

I do understand your comments relative to him not supporting his comments. I just think that if we all believe/know differently, why does everyone let themselves get SO upset. It's just one guy's opinion... BFD.

GoingTooFast · 09-03-2011, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthal

I'm not following... who is being made a fool of? IMO, no one is being made a fool here. Please explain.

I'm not upset... I'm just being assertive. No one can honestly complaints about understeer in a car where its natural attitude is oversteer... one only has to use that massive torque!

Anyone saying the contrary is fooling you. He even goes as far as saying in the vid (1:10 & 2:20):

'The 1M is a little sensitive to power'

'It will pop sideways'

'Nice power oversteer'

'I like the power oversteer'

'I like driving the car sideways'

'Guess what?! It is probably too easy to get the 1M sideways... too easy!'

Then he complaints about understeer?!?!?!?!?!

09-02-2011, 01:23 PM	#67
b33g33 Give '///M' Hell! 125 Rep 1,325 Posts Drives: Einser Rex Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0)	Yawn. Is Motor Trend still being published? Why? __________________ The 1 series M is the most badass, coolest, sickest BMW to debut since the 1988 M3. The E30 M3 finally has a successor. Please welcome the stupidly fast, wickedly tempered, awkwardly named, possibly perfect little son of a benchmark - Automobile Magazine, August 2011
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09-02-2011, 03:45 PM	#68
///1M Captain 25 Rep 612 Posts Drives: On a good day, AW 1M coupe Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: between Indiana and the alley iTrader: (0)	Sorry, but you're not going to find me commuting, or spending any significant seat time in a 500+HP car. Just doesn't make sense in the real world (for me, at least). The 1M hits the mark performance-wise and is a great car to live with!
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09-02-2011, 04:02 PM	#69
ptack Brigadier General 269 Rep 4,470 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: May 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 135i [6.50]	You know there's a reason the Stig doesn't talk. __________________ 135i, SGM, Coral, Sport Package, Auto, Premium Hifi, USB/ipod, Apex EC-7s, PPK Stage II
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09-02-2011, 08:50 PM	#73
tkbr0wn Major 72 Rep 1,239 Posts Drives: 2015 Cayman S Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0)	Gthal, the point you are missing is that Randy is pretty much the ONLY reviewer that has given a completely negative review on the car. Just about every other reviewer has gushed over the car with only a few negative points here and there about the car. Is Randy really that much better than every other reviewer on the planet? Doubtful. Is every other reviewer on the planet biased? Doubtful. Is it at all possible that Randy is just trying to be different than very other reviewer or maybe possibly he's tired of hearing all the positive reviews about the car and is biased himself? Maybe, I really don't know. But him being the one lone rider on the negative review train does make his review suspect. My .02 __________________ ● 2015 Cayman S (Current), 2011 1M BSM #297 (Sold), 2008 135i (Sold) ●
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09-02-2011, 09:28 PM	#74
BlitzM Enlisted Member 5 Rep 34 Posts Drives: 2011 AW 1M Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Colorado iTrader: (0)	Just curious, why do M3 owners feel the need to post on this thread and support the Randy Pobst viewpoint? Seems a little weird to me. We all support the brand don't we? Why so down on the 1M. Different strokes for different folks.
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09-02-2011, 10:36 PM	#75
erio Captain 56 Rep 807 Posts Drives: e92 JB M3, 2012 GTR Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: GA iTrader: (0)	Be careful about posting anything negative about the 1M or the thread might get deleted/closed. There was a normal 1m vs m3 discussion going on in the "vs" section of the m3 forum when it got erased soon after the motor trend review was mentioned. All I said was that I respected Randy's opinion as a driver. Someone then commented about a 600whp kit coming out for the 1m. The 1m like the regular 1 series already has been noted to be a little jittery in high speed corners due to short wheelbase, etc. I stated that was too much power for the car on the track. I commented that it would make the car unbalanced with way to much power for the chassis unless they were planning on taking it to the drag strip. I respect the 1m for what it is and we were having a healthy discussion. Someone didn't like the direction the thread was going and it was erased. See below: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580760 Last edited by erio; 09-02-2011 at 11:03 PM..
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RaptorKTM Colonel 236 Rep 2,366 Posts Drives: 1 M Coupe Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 1 M [0.00]	not to knock this guy, and not say im better, but I feel like this is very much a car that requires very much seat time to really be able to use appropriately, this video seems to give the impression that he is not in tune with the car, I think the 1 M requires a lot more then knowing your lines on the track to use properly. That being said still not a bad result but of course we all want to be ahead of the pack.
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09-03-2011, 12:25 AM	#77
Manual only New Member 2 Rep 18 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	He probably just doesn't like the aesthetics. Hopefully when I'm that ancient I can appreciate cars in all power ranges
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09-03-2011, 12:33 AM	#78
rusty racer Private First Class 47 Rep 158 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 LBB, 2011 R8 v10 spy Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Charlotte, NC iTrader: (0)	I think the emotional response to these reviews is easy to explain. We all had the rare experience of buying a car based only on others reviews and pictures. None of us drove a 1M prior to ordering and few of us even saw it in person before ordering. We had to trust the pros to test the car for us and describe it accurately. So honestly our view of the car is strongly tied to these reviews. Once you have the car you love it and can see why it was so well reviewed. I am still finding more n more reasons to like it every day. Reviewers though are all entitled to their opinions and they all have their own backgrounds, experiences, expectations, and goals. So fine if he doesn't like it. He can have a mustang. I will take my 1M n love it. J
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09-03-2011, 12:49 AM	#79
///1M Captain 25 Rep 612 Posts Drives: On a good day, AW 1M coupe Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: between Indiana and the alley iTrader: (0)	Poobst's review is very specific to a certain kind of focused track driving. With a few adjustments (tires, camber, tune), who knows how much more track focused the 1M could become? But in stock format, the 1M is engineered perfectly for 99% of how it will be driven in the real world. Consider the cars that got the best lap times and how they would be to live with on a daily basis.
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09-03-2011, 04:53 AM	#80
Advevo Banned 581 Rep 1,170 Posts Drives: M2 Competition, E30 M3 DTM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Country where the taxes are too high!! iTrader: (0)	Consider the cars that got the best lap times and how they would be to live with on a daily basis. Nice line. They will be no fun at all on a daily basis. Bmw still makes a compromise car and did it very well with the 1M. People who want to go more extreme can do it themselves. The 1M is a very good base to start with.
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