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      01-04-2011, 03:41 PM   #67
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Return to roots is a High revving N/A true ///M motor. For the size of the car it is still porky and overweight. If I had to choose a motor I would have used a true ///M motor. A S-54 would be perfect for this car.
Can you imagine if they put lighter version of S54 in 1M Mmmmmmm.....
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      01-04-2011, 03:52 PM   #68
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Definately not a good look in AW (IMO). Really gives in a plainer look. Too bad BMW choose that as one of the 3 colors.
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      01-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #69
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The S54 has been around since 2001, has an iron block and won't meet current emissions standards.

I admit that a high revving, six individual throttle bodied, aluminum block straight six would be ideal, especially one that doesn't need valve adjustments. But turbos and existing parts are cheaper, and the 1st volumes don't justify one off parts, so this is what we get.
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      01-04-2011, 04:26 PM   #70
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Can you imagine if they put lighter version of S54 in 1M Mmmmmmm.....
Early on, they determined that the S54 was too heavy for this car.
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      01-04-2011, 04:29 PM   #71
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I know what you mean. The more time goes on the less excited and interested i get. Then bam, all of a sudden i want one again. May feel the same when Detroit starts.

Test drove a Golf R and an E class 350CDI coupe and they are both fantastic, the interiors are so good and i think the 1M interior will feel a bit of a let down.

Am testing a 135i tomorrow to get a feel for the car so will hopefully come out positive again.
I read an article this morning comparing the 1M, RS3 and upcoming Focus ST!

What did you think of the 135i Mark?
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      01-04-2011, 04:34 PM   #72
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I read an article this morning comparing the 1M, RS3 and upcoming Focus ST!

What did you think of the 135i Mark?
Loved it. So powerful compared to what I am used to and in Sport mode on the DCT it was brutal. Just as well I had a dry day!

Had they offered an MDCT for the 1M I could have been tempted.

It was White and I reckon I will go for White on 1M unless the orange looks awesome enough when I see it in the flesh. Not a fan of black cars TBH.

Interior wasn't up to the Golf R or E class coupe I drove recently and wasn't quite on a par with my old E91 330D interior either but it was better than i expected so very pleased.

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      01-04-2011, 04:56 PM   #73
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Early on, they determined that the S54 was too heavy for this car.
I know to bad.
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      01-04-2011, 06:42 PM   #74
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I think everybody who complains the 1M is a "parts bin" car needs to remember the S54 Z3 M coupe. That was basically a parts bin car as well (albeit with a true M motor) and it became an instant classic due to the low production numbers and awesome performance. I sold mine a year ago for the same price that I paid for it in early 2006. The production numbers on the 1M will be higher, but still low enough that combined with the upcoming gap in M cars and that fact that it feels like more of a purist's car it could be destined to become another classic.
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      01-04-2011, 06:56 PM   #75
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Can you imagine if they put lighter version of S54 in 1M Mmmmmmm.....

there's nothing stopping you from doing so yourself..
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      01-04-2011, 07:25 PM   #76
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Early on, they determined that the S54 was too heavy for this car.
Isn't there less the 20lbs in the difference between the N54 and S54?
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      01-04-2011, 07:44 PM   #77
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Early on, they determined that the S54 was too heavy for this car.
Isn't there less the 20lbs in the difference between the N54 and S54?
Doesn't matter. The emissions issues trump any weight concerns anyway
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      01-04-2011, 07:54 PM   #78
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^^^Talking about weight not emissions.
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      01-04-2011, 10:12 PM   #79
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I said if you put LSD wider track and upgraded brakes on the Z4 35IS it deserves an M badge just like the 1M coupe. Becuase thats all M division did was still parts from M3 stold the motor from the Z4 35IS and 335IS. Since you mentioned the 335IS I would say none of the cars deserve an M badge since the M3 still exists. Dont get me wrong if M division stold from te M3 parts bin and widened the track put an M differential and upgraded bbrakes the IS would be one hell of a car. So in my opinion the little 1er should have been badged 135IS theres nothing special about this little ride that just wows me I would have been wowed with a proper N/A motor that evs past 8000 with proper sound. A non M recycled motor is not deserving of M badge.
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if the suspension is redesigned, then yes. But guess what.. ? There is no " blurring " of the line because the 335 is and Z435 got motor tweaks and body tweaks. Did it get a full suspension redesign? no. Does it have an M differential? No. Does it have an upgraded braking system? NO. Does it have manual steering? NO. M cars usually have different motors, suspension, and body components and M division goes through and improves many parts of the car. That's not what happened with the 335is or the Z435is as it really only got a couple of updates, another being the DCT. An M car is a lot more that just the motor.

The motor for the 1M *has* been redesigned, when compared to the underlying 1 series model. So the N54 is motor is in another model.. big deal. All the people that want a unique motor shouldn't even be considering this car because if they had stayed with your mandate of a unique motor then the car would never have been built. So... All the motor purists can lay back and wait for the second generation 1M... while those of us that do appreciate that the 1M even came to fruition will enjoy it. And I don't think that the unique motor phreaks would be satisifed with the S54 being recylcled anyway.. it's still used in another car.. and my god.. it's like a decade old now..!
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      01-04-2011, 10:17 PM   #80
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Can you imagine if they put lighter version of S54 in 1M Mmmmmmm.....
An upgraded Direct injection for emissions and Fuel economy. Upgraded aluminum block and valve train with carbon fiber CSL airbox oh man this car would be M pure all the way to the bone.
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      01-04-2011, 10:20 PM   #81
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Let's, see.. the motor in the E30 M3 revs to 7200rpm. The motor in the US spec E36 M3 had a 7K rev limit. So M should go back to 7K rev limit motors? Oh wait..
return to roots is N/A not FI. And individual TB's and with todays technology they could have designed a 4 banger that revved to 9K
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Let's, see.. the motor in the E30 M3 revs to 7200rpm. The motor in the US spec E36 M3 had a 7K rev limit. So M should go back to 7K rev limit motors? Oh wait..
return to roots is N/A not FI. And individual TB's and with todays technology they could have designed a 4 banger that revved to 9K
You don't seem to be factoring in the reality of the fact that the 1m was conceived in less than an 18 month time period. I highly doubt that any complete M motor is designed in that time frame. Its nice to have a wish list of things you want the car to be or to have, but at some point you have to get back to reality. By the way, there were race versions of the s14 that revved to 9k. Of course had there been an Internet forum at that time people would be whining that 7200 rpm is not enough. Lol
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The interior looks like E46 M3 but still stunning to me.
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Damn, the rear wheels look so tucked in on the GTS...

Maybe those rims are just temporary.
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Becuase thats all M division did was still parts from M3 stold the motor from the Z4 35IS and 335IS. Since you mentioned the 335IS I would say none of the cars deserve an M badge since the M3 still exists. Dont get me wrong if M division stold from te M3 parts bin and widened the track put an M differential and upgraded bbrakes the IS would be one hell of a car.
Sounds like a real pyrat to me!
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The 1M is not very light it's still porky for it's size. Im sticking to my guns ///M division skimped on this car and Im very disappointed. If there budget was small and time short they should have used this time for the next gen 1m and M3 and start designing proper engines and stop being pyrats and stilling parts. If ///M division keeps going in the wrong direction I will have to take my business elsewhere. GT3 here I come
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The 1M is not very light it's still porky for it's size. Im sticking to my guns ///M division skimped on this car and Im very disappointed. If there budget was small and time short they should have used this time for the next gen 1m and M3 and start designing proper engines and stop being pyrats and stilling parts. If ///M division keeps going in the wrong direction I will have to take my business elsewhere. GT3 here I come
So you were holding out to see if the 1M would compete with a GT3?
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Damn, the rear wheels look so tucked in on the GTS...

Maybe those rims are just temporary.
They are narrower wheels with a winter tire setup.
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