BMW 135i vs. 2016 Porsche GT3 RS and McLaren MP4-12C

[1spirit]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Great video! Love how you use up all the track exiting 3A. Seen plenty of Sonoma videos where everyone seems terrified of that outside curb. I mean, what could be so scary, it's just an off-camber, blind-crest, right-hander. What's so scary? On stock brakes, that downhill braking zone in to #4 must be terrifying. Way to make the best use of your tools

Thanks! lol, I know what you mean. I think most everyone is really just smarter than me on 3A, with self preservation instincts intact. I’ve gone two wheels off there once and let’s say it was almost a code brown.

#4 can be. I’ve gone right to far edge once when the brakes decided to take a vacation.

[1spirit]

Originally Posted by Stangorang

+1

This has very little to do with the cars and everything to do with drivers. The guy can wheel. He would have kept up in an Accord.

Thanks lol

Originally Posted by conradb

Not sure what you're trying to prove here about the car? A professional driver in a Honda R type would probably be able to keep up with someone who was horrible in a GT3 RS on circuit (or maybe one who isn't pushing it due to track conditions).

The numbers the RS puts down are mind bending. You'd be nothing short of doing major, expensive re-engineering of the 1er to keep up, equal driving considered.

All valid points. It’s just a fun video with love for the 1er

If there is a message, buying an expensive car is not necessary to have fun or go fast on the circuit. I’ve always wanted an ///M car, but driving the 1er has been a blast, and my need for a high performance car has surprisingly dwindled.

That’s not to say I don’t want the RS. Any day.

[titium]

have you coded any of the brake related 'assists' off?
namely:

-brake fade compensation
-brake pretension on throttle lift off
-brake over temp protection (reduced engine power if it thinks the brakes are to hot.)
-not sure what the last one is called but if the car senses an emergency stop it applies the brakes more then what's being asked for at the pedal

ohh and the electronic diff - seeing as you have a lsd

[Prince_of_Persia]

Awesome driving skill. Thanks for the video.

[dcaron9999]

Originally Posted by titium

have you coded any of the brake related 'assists'

http://www.onelapx1.com/blog/how-to-...w-actually-fun

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by juniortabak

Its the driver not the car!!

Switch driver and I'm sure the GT3 will fly away.

+1

Some great driving.

I'm sad that the two thoughts I'm left with are:

a) why the hell are BM moving the 1er FWD having seen yet again how great the platform is
b) other than the 30 odd rocking horse pooh M4 GTS where is the BMW answer to GT3 and 650S? :

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by 1spirit

You’re absolutely right! But there is another issue, brakes! Pad fade and sinking pedal. Car barely stops as is with stock power, been quite a challenge to brake consistently. Stopping distances increase after every lap and I’ve been dealing with it by braking much earlier than I’d like!

I’ll be moving up to Castrol SRF on the next brake fluid change. Motul RBF 600 / 660 has been the best so far, but the pedal still gets very soft.

lol thanks again! Honestly, I still feel there’s still more skill to be developed from the stock tune. I’ll “graduate” to a tune eventually! Of course, I’ll be sure to post a video if that ever happens haha.

I mentioned this in the M3 ZCP track thread.

Highly recommend CASTROL SRF

The wet boiling point of SRF is higher than the dry boiling point of most any other fluid.

That means when your SRF is contaminated , it still performs better than any other fluid that is still fresh off the shelf. That's how much better it is. Your brake pedal already got mushy, don't just bleed the calipers, just pony up $70 bones and swap fluid now and you'll be amazed.

I "accidentally " forgot to change my fluid for six months and my SRF felt awesome for a full year. Theres no need to bleed the calipers ever anymore between events.

[1spirit]

Originally Posted by titium

have you coded any of the brake related 'assists' off?
namely:

-brake fade compensation
-brake pretension on throttle lift off
-brake over temp protection (reduced engine power if it thinks the brakes are to hot.)
-not sure what the last one is called but if the car senses an emergency stop it applies the brakes more then what's being asked for at the pedal

ohh and the electronic diff - seeing as you have a lsd

No coding has been done to the car. I recently discovered that those were possible…that should help!

[1spirit]

Originally Posted by Prince_of_Persia

Awesome driving skill. Thanks for the video.

It was a pleasure to make, thanks for watching!

Originally Posted by dcaron9999

http://www.onelapx1.com/blog/how-to-...w-actually-fun

I read that recently, that is a great link.

Originally Posted by clbmw

+1

Some great driving.

I'm sad that the two thoughts I'm left with are:

a) why the hell are BM moving the 1er FWD having seen yet again how great the platform is
b) other than the 30 odd rocking horse pooh M4 GTS where is the BMW answer to GT3 and 650S? :

Thank you. I have the same thoughts...

[1spirit]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I mentioned this in the M3 ZCP track thread.

Highly recommend CASTROL SRF

The wet boiling point of SRF is higher than the dry boiling point of most any other fluid.

That means when your SRF is contaminated , it still performs better than any other fluid that is still fresh off the shelf. That's how much better it is. Your brake pedal already got mushy, don't just bleed the calipers, just pony up $70 bones and swap fluid now and you'll be amazed.

I "accidentally " forgot to change my fluid for six months and my SRF felt awesome for a full year. Theres no need to bleed the calipers ever anymore between events.

That sounds awesome. I look forward to using it!

Strangely enough, Berk Technology recommended the Motul over the Castrol in an old thread when they raced the 135i. Otherwise I would have gone straight to the Castrol in the first place!

[bradleyland]

Isn't the 2-series really the new 1-series though? Please tell me the 2er is staying RWD! It's just a same that (like every other car on the planet), they keep growing in size.

[1spirit]

I hope so. If the 2er ever becomes FWD, it'll mean BMW lost their mind for good. At least to me.

I like what they did with the M2 and M235i, and I hope they keep it that way - keeping the roots of their original spirit somewhat alive.

[rush]

1 -) has those gt3 and 12c driven as hard as 135i has? I m hoping not.. ?
2-) has those gt3 and 12c drivers as skilled as 135i driver appeared? I m hoping not.. ?

Now, how critical above? I let you guys figure the rest

Best.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by rush

1 -) has those gt3 and 12c driven as hard as 135i has? I m hoping not.. ?
2-) has those gt3 and 12c drivers as skilled as 135i driver appeared? I m hoping not.. ?

Now, how critical above? I let you guys figure the rest

Best.

No one is actually asserting that a lightly modded 135i is a faster car than the 12C or the GT3. That's silly. If you read the thread, you can see that even the original poster remarked that both of these cars can run Sonoma in the 1:4x range, which is beyond the reach of his 135i, even with a hero behind the wheel.

It's just for fun. It's fun to see that if a person is willing to put in the time and effort, you can hang with much faster cars, just by refining your own skills.

[JNoSol]

Amazing work.
Man, McLaren driver needs to spend cash on driving school.

[1spirit]

Originally Posted by JNoSol

Amazing work.
Man, McLaren driver needs to spend cash on driving school.

+1. He spun out and hit a wall later that day.

[JNoSol]

Originally Posted by 1spirit

+1. He spun out and hit a wall later that day.

Wow. That sucks man. Just because you can afford the car, doesn't mean you can handle it.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by 1spirit

+1. He spun out and hit a wall later that day.

Oh man, I hate to hear that

[1spirit]

Fortunately the damage seemed limited to the exterior body panels so it should be fixed with minimal downtime. I've seen so much worse in just the few times I've been here. This track can eat cars!

[MightyMouseTech]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

Never forget -- Driver >>>>> Car

This X 1000!

I race on a Chump Car team, so we have 6 different drivers for some races. There can be lap time differences within our own team of around 15s per lap, using the same car, on the same day, only difference is the driver. And this is among drivers that ALL have dozens of hours of track time at the same track.

15s/lap is an eternity.

Really puts it in perspective.

[1spirit]

Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

This X 1000!

I race on a Chump Car team, so we have 6 different drivers for some races. There can be lap time differences within our own team of around 15s per lap, using the same car, on the same day, only difference is the driver. And this is among drivers that ALL have dozens of hours of track time at the same track.

15s/lap is an eternity.

Really puts it in perspective.

Please say that track is at least 4 miles long. lol

That sure is an eternity on the circuit.

[1spirit]

If anyone is interested in watching some of my other fun videos on the circuit, they're all here in the following new thread:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1255706


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