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03-17-2009, 08:04 AM | #3 |
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What would be the better question is, "What the heck would nitrogen do to the gas to make it better?"
We know nitrogen is large particles. We know it doesn't get hot like air does. We know that if you store liquids in nitrogen, they don't break down as much, like with carbonated beverages. But for gas, what is the gain? We hear that "detergents" are great in gas, but what are they? Yep, they are "sand" and they scrub your cylinder walls. Great, now I will eventually lose compression and burn oil. I will certainly Google this, but since I am one of the few out there that HASN'T been laid off or received free govt cheese, I have to do my job during the day. So, anyone know this information offhand, please provide.
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03-17-2009, 08:20 AM | #5 |
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The mixture is fuel is Federally regulated, so it would shock me if they've made any significant change at all, especially one that's going to cost them money and force them to charge more for fuel to turn the same profit. Consumers just won't buy it.
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03-17-2009, 08:22 AM | #6 | |
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The air we breathe is enriched with nitrogen.
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03-17-2009, 08:31 AM | #7 |
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Sounds like nothing more than smart marketing. I have not noticed any difference in any car with Shell...all I know is I get less MPG with winter blends, and in this area, all have that 10% ethynol.
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03-17-2009, 08:35 AM | #8 |
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They were refering to some nitrogen compound in the Gasolene mixture. But the nitrogen tire debunking is always welcome.
Shell with Nitrogen: it has the electrolytes your car craves! their quote: "Nitrogen is a key element of the active cleaning molecule in the new fuel, making it significantly more stable at higher temperatures common in modern engines, such as direct fuel-injection gasoline engines. The increased stability ensures that the molecule can work under much tougher engine conditions by resisting thermal breakdown better than conventional cleaning additives." So in other words, In our big giant detergent molecule there is at least one atom of nitrogen. |
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If a gas is PROVEN better, with significant unbiased data, and it cost a bit more, would I use it? Yes. But, it better be proven, and it shouldn't be a crazy amount more.
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03-17-2009, 12:30 PM | #10 |
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03-17-2009, 12:52 PM | #12 |
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Because it's a thirsty beeyotch!
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03-17-2009, 01:18 PM | #13 | |
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If I told you that I put amines in your gasoline, would it mean anything? Probably not, and it may be considered a bad thing. If I told you that I put nitrogen in, I'd imagine it would make more sense as an element we can relate to (it is 78% of the air we breathe). Amines, or polyether amine in particular is a very good fuel additive for keeping injectors and the combustion chamber clean. Amines are derivatives of ammonia, and they are comprised of (hydrocarbon) functional groups that contain a basic nitrogen atom with a lone pair. Shell can't tell you this because the marketing people have never taken a serious chemistry, math or engineering course in their life and don't understand it... So they have to take it down to a low level... No guarantees, but I'd imagine that this is what they are inferring... given PEA being such a good cleaner. PEA is used in products such as Chevron Techron, and is one of the few adds that tend to show no extra bearing wear when used. Sometimes fuel adds show bearing wear because of the solvents and base fluids they are contained in. Using PEA natively in fuel is a good concept... though IF it is the case, is really no different than chevron with techron, for the most part. Just my 2c. |
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03-17-2009, 02:24 PM | #15 | |
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That's because the Shell stations in S. FL are all owned by one company, and they are overpriced at every location. It's true from Miami all the way up into St Lucie county. That's not the case in other locations in FL or the rest of the country. I don't get why people go to them either, but we both know S. Fl has more than it's fair share of idiot. (I spent 7 years in Palm Beach) Last edited by jeremyc74; 03-17-2009 at 08:03 PM.. |
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03-17-2009, 03:13 PM | #16 |
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I am up in Illinois and Shell has actually been pretty competitive. Been using it since I got the 1er last year. The other day I put BP in the car, 93 Octane of course, and yesterday the engine was mis-firing badly. Called the dealer and he said they have had a lot of cases of bad gas, and recommended I switch the gas to a high tier gas brand and see if it happens again. I got no Check Engine light and upon restarting the engine the problem was gone.
I just filled the car with Shell 93 with Nitro(gen) and will see if the problem re- emerges or not. Anyone else have a 135i with a rough running engine problem? |
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03-17-2009, 09:47 PM | #18 |
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hee hee hee hee . . . . . . Well I thought nitrogen filled tires for 45 bux was radical. I just think it's a big joke on the public. Methanol was the first and nitrogen the second - they're just telling us it's full of crap on the cool...
The sad part is I actually fuel with V-Power because it always ran better in my little Mazdaspeed MX-5 and G35. Honestly my 1er seems to enjoy the V-Power and BP Ultimate about the same.
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03-17-2009, 10:29 PM | #19 |
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Shell is competitive here, price-wise, and it is not out of the way. When I'm home, I fill up there. It is the one tier-one gasoline available nearby.
Don't know about the nitrogen thing, that is up for others smarter than me. |
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03-18-2009, 02:24 AM | #20 |
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I like Shell. Don't know about this nitro thing, however, my tribologist has always liked Shell and the premium is supposed to have nearly twice the add pack of it's closest top tier gas competitors. Don't know if fact. My Shell/CITI card has given me a 5% monthly rebate since 2004 and hence Shell is always the "least expensive" gas in town. I top up before half empty (various reasons), only use Shell, add either Fuel Power products (maybe over kill) and if all this is just snake-oil-B.S..... it makes me happy, my UOA's are nice (soluables 1-2 ppm), I get great mileage and my cars and cycle run just fine...YMMV...
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03-18-2009, 05:41 AM | #21 | |
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Now, the next step is for someone to identify what the percentage of these additives is inside the gasoline, and is it the right amount. We all know that when a fruit juice drink says "contains real fruit juice" and it only has 5% real juice, it is worthless. So, is Shell gas, or Chevron Techron gas, up to snuff on its amount of additives? Anyone in the know on this?
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