Has anyone dynoed a 128i with the evolve tune?

[andrey_gta]

681: The small disa is responsible for the wave/bump in the pre 2k range. You lacking it could mean its either not registered on dyno any more, or nor working making your manifold a 2 stage. Your AA tune dyno doesnt scale well , so hard to tell if it is there.

@wolfe: Disa adds 10 whp 15 tq in SAE over base. With intake Evolve tune on top end without Intake maybe 2 whp SAE based on my dyno, but it fixes the drop. All gains are in the middle like the 10 whp SAE for the dip.

Keep in mind I think intake will double the tune dyno gains,it really did feel very fresh.

[631twentyeighteye]

Ah i see what you mean now, i wasn't look at the scale differences between your dyno and mine. I didn't realize the DISA worked down so low, but now that i think about it i know the bump you're talking about, mine has it. You had me worried for a second.

[wolfe]

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

Disa adds 10 whp 15 tq in SAE over base. With intake Evolve tune on top end without Intake maybe 2 whp SAE based on my dyno, but it fixes the drop. All gains are in the middle like the 10 whp SAE for the dip.

Sorry, you kinda lost me - Does the disa with no tune add 10, then the evolve adds more on top of that or is the evolve + disa like 10 whp across the range?

[andrey_gta]

Yes disa with no tune adds 10 whp in SAE or 15 whp in STD.
The tune in my dyno fixes and refines adding even more hp in the middle rpm range and a max whp increases too with intake and letting the tune adapt ( will have to dyno again to proove this statement).

This is exactly what I said in posts on page 1 here. Evolve vs ABC123 do the same thing, fix middle and 7k dip and add in the middle with TQ and HP along with a bit at the top too

[andrey_gta]

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

The one thing i noticed about Andrey's pull is that the smoothing is at 5 while mine are all on 0, I'd like to see what they look like with smoothing set to 0.

Smoothing 0 - Evolve is green

[631twentyeighteye]

much appreciated! how many pulls did they do? and did they do them one after the other or was there cool down inbetween? they let mine sit for about 10 minutes before the last pull to see if heatsoak was a factor(it was).

[andrey_gta]

5 min apart, 2 pulls for Disa and 2 Pulls for Evolve.
Curiously the 3rd one was higher for Base dyno

[pj.rodriguez]

Awesome ^. Back in TO?

[631twentyeighteye]

Okay sounds pretty normal. Looks like evolve is the way to go for sure.

[andrey_gta]

Here is your AA tune + disa w/o headers, looks to be just lacking TQ for some reason maybe its my secondary delete.
Your small DISA should be making most TQ before 2.7k rpm, BUT your dyno starts at 3k which is the first dip

Otherwise very close.

Originally Posted by 631twentyeighteye

SECOND SET OF DYNO RUNS
So got my dyno's done today. The manifold and AA tune are worth about 18HP and 10ft/lbs.

SAE CORRECTION(i personally don't care for this after being educated by the dyno guys)

[631twentyeighteye]

Yeah, i've noticed since adding the disa that the motor pulls great from idle to 3k, and after that it dips until about 4-4.5k, and then it just keep pulling faster and faster straight to red line. The biggest different i noticed from the headers was the big jump in low end torque which is great around town.

[Bimmer-Bob]

Ok, forgive me, but I'm having trouble sorting through all these posts. Are y'all saying that the Active & Evolve tunes yield similar results (within 5 or 10 crank HP, if that) for a 128i with 3-stage DISA manifold and stock headers?

[631twentyeighteye]

Basically, andrey's 128 is putting down similar power with DISA, Evolve, and secondary cat delete as my car is, with mapleridge catless headers, AA, and DISA. about 225RWHP STD correction.

Now this doesn't necessarily account for the differences in dyno's, but it shows promise that Evolve really is better than AA.

His torque numbers are also better than mine(when compared to before i had catless headers) as shown in the graphs posted throughout.

[andrey_gta]

@Bob

At first glance yes. but Pls consider my tune is for 91 octane, my dyno is with in 300km of flash and does not include intake

[maupineda]

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

@Bob

At first glance yes. but Pls consider my tune is for 91 octane, my dyno is with in 300km of flash and does not include intake

To be honest I don't think any of that will make a difference. 300km is more than enough and intake hardly gains you a thing.

I think driveability does improve once car has adapted fully but you don't see that in the dyno, even if there are differences they are smaller than dyno variation

[TheSt|G]

Evolve does seem to have some technique for adding low end torque. It is something that was both very apparent when I got my car tuned and when driving a friend's E46 M3 post tune.

[andrey_gta]

Originally Posted by Sinister_1

https://de-de.facebook.com/IndividualCarDesign

He's stating the 125i with the same map make around 225 at the wheels with the 6mt. He's stating with the disa manifold and tune I will be making x3 n52b30o0 specs. 272hp give or take.

Forgot to say.

With whomever you tune be it Indivcar design, Marcel, Wintertuning or even DS motorsport. See if you can get the TUV cert tune, dont think uneed the actual certificate. Because it seems that those tunes are more robust/ or guaranteed because they have to be declared to TUV.

I could be wrong but, i recall not all tuners offer the cert

[wolfe]

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

Yes disa with no tune adds 10 whp in SAE or 15 whp in STD.
The tune in my dyno fixes and refines adding even more hp in the middle rpm range and a max whp increases too with intake and letting the tune adapt ( will have to dyno again to proove this statement).

This is exactly what I said in posts on page 1 here. Evolve vs ABC123 do the same thing, fix middle and 7k dip and add in the middle with TQ and HP along with a bit at the top too

So right now, the disa adds the power, the evolve tune smooths it out and makes it work better but doesn't add much more power?

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by wolfe

So right now, the disa adds the power, the evolve tune smooths it out and makes it work better but doesn't add much more power?

That seems completely counter to the 125i experience.

[Solo_M_Tech]

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

Forgot to say.

With whomever you tune be it Indivcar design, Marcel, Wintertuning or even DS motorsport. See if you can get the TUV cert tune, dont think uneed the actual certificate. Because it seems that those tunes are more robust/ or guaranteed because they have to be declared to TUV.

I could be wrong but, i recall not all tuners offer the cert

I'm starting to lean towards the evolve tune. It's alittle cheaper in cost, but I do the tuning. The best part is the ability to flash back to stock for dealer service runs, or warranty work. I'm concerned about f-ing this though. I cannot seam to find any real specifics about whether or not a 130i flash with disa will be as smooth as the evolve tune. That's important to me. With evolves reputation it seams like the way to go but I'm just don't know. I don't want to waste my money on a sub standard tune. I want to do it right the first time.

[Taskmaster]

Hold off until I dyno with my tune. Admittedly my baseline is higher, but I'll be dynoing for actual gains on the dyno in the next few weeks here.

There are more than a few factors at work here.

[Solo_M_Tech]

So for the record, the DISA manifold is were you get the majority of the power and torque increases, and the evolve tune just smooths out the dips in the power band caused by the disa valves operation?