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i have. i owned a 135is before getting the 1M. the 2er waaaay more luxobarge than the 135 ever was....the steering, the size, the brakes.....everything feels generic on the 2er.
I concede i have limited time in the 2er behind the wheel...but nothing impressed me about the car. It felt more like a basic Audi or VW. |
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a 128i and a 135i in factory form in opinion need a ton of work. Run Flats, Oversteer, rubbery rear end combined with no LSD etc. etc. I honestly feel the m235i is a better out of the box car than the 135i ever was and I LOVE THE E82 platform and have zero intentions of buying a 2 series. I do not think it is fair to discredit the 2 series as a poor car. I think it is a great car and it will absolutely serve as a solid introduction level bmw. My main point in my original post is the attitude people have toward new cars and how defensive people get over their current cars of the previous gen. |
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if i thought it felt like a luxobarge...that's exactly how i felt. If you feel it's a better package out of the box, than so be it. That's the whole premise of what is known as an 'opinion'. you're trying to tell us not to criticize the new car...but hey we can if that's how we feel, yo! |
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do i think the M235i is still a 'good car'...maybe. but it's too heavy...too ugly....and has ruined one of the best parts of the 135, IMO...the heavy steering feel. |
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I agree with OP it is funny to see people write about the 2er almost as if they are discovering the e82 for the first time but it doesn't annoy me or make me enjoy my e82 any less. |
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08-23-2014, 01:53 PM | #33 | |
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Why did they drop the DCT (which the 135i has) on the 235i and go with the slush box!?
Just found out about this. The 8-speed slush box, with torque converter, stop-start, etc. makes (some) sense on the 228i, but not the 235i. Quite a step backwards, IMO. Even more happy with my recent purchase!
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Strange how the 235i reviews don't mention this downgrade.
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They don't want you to think of it as a downgrade. That's why they don't talk about it.
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It's just that many many reviewes act like that the E82 has never been built, calling it the car that goes back to BMW's roots. Which us BS, anyway, even with the E8x. The M135/235 is not that bad. I think out of the box, stock the chassis is better. More R&D put into these cars, while BMW kind of didn't care for the 135i as much as they could. And that's a big shame.
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The M235i is clearly a better car, stock against stock, than a standard 135i. The run flatted 228i was picked as second to an Audi A3 by Car and Driver. I think they're right. You shouldn't have to mod the "ultimate driving machine" to make it one. That's the standard by which the M235i wins. |
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You guys are buying into the marketing machine more than the actual abilities of these cars. About the only thing the M235i had an advantage out of the box is that it can be equipped with PSS tires. That's all is see. The more 'modern' things in it like electric steering and adjustable suspension are shortcomings in many people's books. There are several reviews i've read saying that the new car is NOT as raw as the old 135......for me that is a big issue seeing as one of the best features of the 1er, in my book, is its simplicity and rawness. It's raucous nature. |
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lets not forget that you cant option the 2 series without the navigation system and fake interior engine sound... |
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