Custom Manifold WIP

anttmann · 08-21-2014, 09:35 PM

Hey all I have been absent from the community for quite sometime now but I figured I would drop in and show you what I have been up too

Good friends over @ Fab Factory have been in the process of designing a manifold for n54/n55 application anyways I'll just get to the pictures

anttmann · 08-21-2014, 09:37 PM

Continued ....

flinchy · 08-21-2014, 10:16 PM

just saw this on facebook

super excited, can't wait to see the plenum etc.

and details on flow and dynos and so on haha

Grinchxvx · 08-21-2014, 10:25 PM

What's the expected gains? Didn't think the stock manifold was bad at all.

anttmann · 08-21-2014, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Grinchxvx

What's the expected gains? Didn't think the stock manifold was bad at all.

Expected is 20

flinchy · 08-21-2014, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Grinchxvx

What's the expected gains? Didn't think the stock manifold was bad at all.

if you look at the stock mani - cylinder 1's runner is crushed by about 2/3 to clear the oil pump for one.. flow just isn't 'optimized' at all.

saying 20hp is a bit odd... it'll gain a lot more on a big single for example.. what supporting mods etc.

i'm guessing it'll be easy a few grand though... so stock frame guys would be pretty crazy to think about it!

Grinchxvx · 08-21-2014, 10:38 PM

Yeah this would probably be a baller upgrade like the 4000 dollar csl intake for m3's that only give you 20whp. Still cool though.

.. · 08-21-2014, 10:39 PM

Pointless.

flinchy · 08-21-2014, 10:40 PM

looking at hypertune jz/rb manifold pricing, this could easily be $2500-$3000.

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Originally Posted by DurimOne54

Pointless.

sure, if you agree all power mods are pointless.

.. · 08-21-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by flinchy

looking at hypertune jz/rb manifold pricing, this could easily be $2500-$3000.

sure, if you agree all power mods are pointless.

I go by price to power ratio. Seems to be most logic.

anttmann · 08-21-2014, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flinchy

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Originally Posted by Grinchxvx

What's the expected gains? Didn't think the stock manifold was bad at all.

if you look at the stock mani - cylinder 1's runner is crushed by about 2/3 to clear the oil pump for one.. flow just isn't 'optimized' at all.

saying 20hp is a bit odd... it'll gain a lot more on a big single for example.. what supporting mods etc.

i'm guessing it'll be easy a few grand though... so stock frame guys would be pretty crazy to think about it!

I should have clarified bone stock expected gains is 20 ,

Paired with tune and other Boltons I'm expecting at least 28-30 running at 17.7psi

flinchy · 08-21-2014, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DurimOne54

I go by price to power ratio. Seems to be most logic.

true, still doesn't make this pointless.

pointless if you're not going big power single/twins yeah.

properly designed at the pointy end, it SHOULD be way more than 20whp... and throttle response, spool.. the guys at 750+ with a better manifold alone could see near 800, no other changes... heck, this may also correct the odd AFR/trim issues bank to bank.

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Originally Posted by anttmann

I should have clarified bone stock expected gains is 20 ,

Paired with tune and other Boltons I'm expecting at least 28-30 running at 17.7psi

hmm bone stock, untuned no other mods, stock turbos 20whp? i'd like to see that if so, the stock manifold shouldn't have any issues of any sort at the stock 300BHP :P

but i could believe running more boost FBO etc. 20-30.

.. · 08-21-2014, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flinchy

true, still doesn't make this pointless.

pointless if you're not going big power single/twins yeah.

Should have clarified then since most remain with the OEM turbos. OP did not state his intentions.

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Originally Posted by flinchy

properly designed at the pointy end, it'd be way more than 20whp potentially... and throttle response, spool.. the guys at 750+ with a better manifold alone could see near 800, no other changes... heck, this may also correct the odd AFR/trim issues bank to bank.

Completely agree with you here in this aspect

anttmann · 08-21-2014, 11:21 PM

The 20 I originally stated is a low estimate i was simply making assuming it was on stock application . Now with all the mods done to my specific car I personally expect at least 30 but rest assured it will be Dyno proven when it's done and for those interested in finally product will be able to purchase via @ Fab Factory. My car is essentially the test for manifold to see what it can make , again sorry for the confusion I should have worded more carefully

flinchy · 08-21-2014, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by anttmann

The 20 I originally stated is a low estimate i was simply making assuming it was on stock application . Now with all the mods done to my specific car I personally expect at least 30 but rest assured it will be Dyno proven when it's done and for those interested in finally product will be able to purchase via @ Fab Factory. My car is essentially the test for manifold to see what it can make , again sorry for the confusion I should have worded more carefully

has their been any prior testing etc. or is this pretty much 'working prototype #1'.. how about plenum/tb placement calculations, done via CFD or otherwise engineery types with their fluid dynamics knowledge, or just 'this should work ok, we'll see if it works on the dyno'? haha

30 would be pretty awesome though on stock frames. Will be keeping an eye out for results for sure!

anttmann · 08-21-2014, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flinchy

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Originally Posted by anttmann

The 20 I originally stated is a low estimate i was simply making assuming it was on stock application . Now with all the mods done to my specific car I personally expect at least 30 but rest assured it will be Dyno proven when it's done and for those interested in finally product will be able to purchase via @ Fab Factory. My car is essentially the test for manifold to see what it can make , again sorry for the confusion I should have worded more carefully

has their been any prior testing etc. or is this pretty much 'working prototype #1'.. how about plenum/tb placement calculations, done via CFD or otherwise engineery types with their fluid dynamics knowledge, or just 'this should work ok, we'll see if it works on the dyno'? haha

I can get you all that info tm morning when I go into the shop ! As far as prior testing this is the prototype .

anttmann · 08-21-2014, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by anttmann

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Originally Posted by flinchy

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Originally Posted by anttmann

The 20 I originally stated is a low estimate i was simply making assuming it was on stock application . Now with all the mods done to my specific car I personally expect at least 30 but rest assured it will be Dyno proven when it's done and for those interested in finally product will be able to purchase via @ Fab Factory. My car is essentially the test for manifold to see what it can make , again sorry for the confusion I should have worded more carefully

has their been any prior testing etc. or is this pretty much 'working prototype #1'.. how about plenum/tb placement calculations, done via CFD or otherwise engineery types with their fluid dynamics knowledge, or just 'this should work ok, we'll see if it works on the dyno'? haha

I can get you all that info tm morning when I go into the shop ! As far as prior testing this is the prototype .

It should be said and done give or take a week or less , the shop knows their stuff they are being very meticulous with this to make it the best it can be for our application . After testing is complete they will be seeing what needs to be done for this to work on the n55 aswell .

flinchy · 08-22-2014, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by anttmann

I can get you all that info tm morning when I go into the shop ! As far as prior testing this is the prototype .

awesome

any info is good imo, and this sorta product is highly relevant to my interests haha

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Originally Posted by anttmann

It should be said and done give or take a week or less , the shop knows their stuff they are being very meticulous with this to make it the best it can be for our application . After testing is complete they will be seeing what needs to be done for this to work on the n55 aswell .

sounds like a pretty good shop then! It kinda confuses me when shops take months and months and months to do relatively common/basic works (well, unless they're aiming to make the 100% best it can possibly be no holds barred sorta thing of course)

Blaizon · 08-22-2014, 07:35 AM

Any details on the runner length compared to stock?

TurboBimmer · 08-22-2014, 11:22 AM

Pretty awesome and I'm definitely interested in this. Since technical inspection in my country is a bit of a bitch, I wonder if there is any way to connect a stock-like airbox? I would need the intakes to be a bit stealthy

Miko226 · 08-22-2014, 11:30 AM

Sounds awesome apart from the price

Freon · 08-22-2014, 11:36 AM

Should be a neat part for those running a bigger turbo setup. Now we just need the bigger turbo setups...

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Grinchxvx Lieutenant 29 Rep 414 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Salt Lake City iTrader: (0)	Yeah this would probably be a baller upgrade like the 4000 dollar csl intake for m3's that only give you 20whp. Still cool though. __________________ 2008 Aw/Coral Red Manual 135i Coupe- JB4 G5 + BMS race flash, BMS meth kit, VRSF DP, Big tom Ic, BMS chinese tester CP, Custom Muffler Delete, BMS Oil Cooler Valve, Cowl Filters, Clutch Stop, B&M Short Shifter, Spec Stg 2+ Clutch W/ Oem dmfw, Vmr V710, KW v2, M RSFB, 1M Front and rear Bumper, Performance Side Skirts, slek trunk, Lci blacklines.]
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anttmann Lieutenant 86 Rep 465 Posts Drives: 18' CQM M3 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Los Angeles , CA iTrader: (4)	The 20 I originally stated is a low estimate i was simply making assuming it was on stock application . Now with all the mods done to my specific car I personally expect at least 30 but rest assured it will be Dyno proven when it's done and for those interested in finally product will be able to purchase via @ Fab Factory. My car is essentially the test for manifold to see what it can make , again sorry for the confusion I should have worded more carefully __________________ Current: 18' F80 M3 \|Champagne Quartz Metallic/Amaro Brown \|ZCP / Exec 6MT Past: 09' E82 135i Alpine White/Coral Red \|CCW'D/Caged 6MT Antoine Spignardo
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