2 Series Better Than 1 Series?

[gs6456]

In pure performance terms, sure. But is it a better car? I'm not thrilled with the looks. It's kind of plain where the 1 is unique, even quirky. And it's bigger. That's the main reason I couldn't pull the trigger on a 3. To me, the 1 is the perfect size. I do not feel the need to trade my 1 in for a new 2. The 1 is perfect to me.

What does everyone else think? Does the 2 appeal to you?

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by gs6456

In pure performance terms, sure. But is it a better car? I'm not thrilled with the looks. It's kind of plain where the 1 is unique, even quirky. And it's bigger. That's the main reason I couldn't pull the trigger on a 3. To me, the 1 is the perfect size. I do not feel the need to trade my 1 in for a new 2. The 1 is perfect to me.

What does everyone else think? Does the 2 appeal to you?

I'm sure it's going to be a great car and the option of an LSD is huge, but for a lot of people electronic steering feels terribly disconnected and dead

[golf_234]

I'm betting it will be an across the board improvement. It looks so mean. I think my favorite design bmw has made since the e46. The only thing I am feeling might take some adjusting to get used to is electric steering, but i'm not going to lose sleep over it. People always freak out over change. I am betting in person that the car will just be breathtaking.

[davefromfla]

I think it will be better. Really reminds me of the E46 M3 I had. I like the interior, front end, and sides better than my 135. So glad it doesn't have the droopy line on the sides. Performance will almost certainly be better, and quite a few performance options available from BMW. Have to wait to see how the steering turns out. That said, I really like my 135, maybe more than the E46 M3 I had.

[tuco44]

Too soon to know. For me, negatives of the 2 include electric steering (but might be OK), auto "stop/start" (but can disable) and slightly larger size.

I will reserve opinion until one is able to drive a 2, then decide.

[swagon]

It will drive like the 1 Series hatch which it is based on of course. People act here like the 2 Series is a whole new car, something on a new platform or whatever. It would be nice of some of those members read a few tests of the 1er to get a idea of how it will drive. The M135i is pretty much praised among European journalists and owners. Great DD, great MPG, though I've read several texts how the Variable Steering system is a bit weird and requires some getting used to.

No one has driven it yet, count that in too.

[TheSt|G]

Same numb EPS as the F30. Without feedback you can't safely drive a car at the limits. Pass.

[2012_135i]

Originally Posted by gs6456

In pure performance terms, sure...

Don't know much about the 2. Could you elaborate on that?

[lowbudgethero]

should be a bit lighter with more power

[Stohlen]

They are pretty much the same thing...

Added a bit more power, but didn't make the engine any stronger to take more boost... So you could really do the same thing to a 1 series with a tune.

Revised the suspension a bit, but didn't change it so much that when modified, will make it perform any better than a one series.

LSD option is a pro, but will probably cost as much as to add to a one series.

Made it lighter. Big pro here...

Ruined the steering. Big con here...

I think its down right ugly, so i'll keep my 1 series.

[2012_135i]

Originally Posted by lowbudgethero

should be a bit lighter with more power

Yeah, just read that it's the N55 but tuned to 320 horses. So a 1er with a tune that comes standard.

[Stohlen]

Originally Posted by 2012_135i

Yeah, just read that it's the N55 but tuned to 320 horses. So a 1er with a tune that comes standard.

More like a 135is. And again, the engine just starts off with more power... Its not any stronger so in the end after a real tune, they'll be the same.

[lowbudgethero]

for most of us here the power doesn't matter, but most people don't modify their cars

[imported_mega]

no thanks, not a fan of the looks and the performance increase is just not there

and electric steering, big no thanks just not interested, maybe I'll put a E46 M3 in the garage while there's still unmodified ones floating around

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by golf_234

The only thing I am feeling might take some adjusting to get used to is electric steering, but i'm not going to lose sleep over it. People always freak out over change.

Change is not always good -

"Since the power-steering pump on most cars today runs constantly, pumping fluid all the time, it wastes horsepower. This wasted power translates into wasted fuel."

- especially when it's driven by economy and not performance.

[mb135is]

Eh, it'll be better for many, but probably not for many of us.

[andrey_gta]

I would choose 2er over a 3/4 er. Not sure I could choose 2e over 1er e82, too attached and just plain love it

[Stohlen]

Originally Posted by Ian///M

It is more refined and has been thoughtfully engineered.

Please elaborate.

[Dackelone]

I was told its only about 20% new. And thats mostly in the sheet metal.

[1Pirate]

Originally Posted by lowbudgethero

for most of us here the power doesn't matter, but most people don't modify their cars

Not so sure about that. Many of us on the forum are enthusiasts who like to modify cars. Much more so than the general public. It appears to me that there are a lot of 135i owners on this forum with tunes too.

[Billup]

There are things about it I like, and things I don't. Unfortunately the things I don't like (ie; EPS) make it much less desirable. I do like the overall appearance and interior, though.

With that being said. Nah, its not better than a 1 series.

Long live the E8x's!

[Wakka]

If hydraulic steering was an option i would most likely already have one on order.