2 Series Better Than 1 Series?

[Solo_M_Tech]

I drove one about 3 weeks ago. I posted a review in the 2 series board. You might as well buy the 335i and get the extra doors because that's basically what it is, a 2 door 3 series. It felt numb and disconnected to me. It might be perfect for some and I may upgrade to the m235i in a couple years but I doubt it. Until they fix the electric power steering and disable the auto start stop crap I won't buy. I will say I like the looks, aggressive and mean, but not unique or having of character. That's why I bought the 1er.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by SinisterBlack128

I drove one about 3 weeks ago. I posted a review in the 2 series board. You might as well buy the 335i and get the extra doors because that's basically what it is, a 2 door 3 series. It felt numb and disconnected to me. It might be perfect for some and I may upgrade to the m235i in a couple years but I doubt it. Until they fix the electric power steering and disable the auto start stop crap I won't buy. I will say I like the looks, aggressive and mean, but not unique or having of character. That's why I bought the 1er.

The Auto Stop/Start can be coded out. I know a coding guy in your area(Graf) that can do it. Send me a PM if your interested.


I feel the steering in the new 3er/4er is Meh also. Its certainly better in Sport mode(s) but its not like it feels in our cars or even the e9x. Also the brake pedal feels too light for my tastes.

Dack

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by gs6456

In pure performance terms, sure. But is it a better car? I'm not thrilled with the looks. It's kind of plain where the 1 is unique, even quirky. And it's bigger. That's the main reason I couldn't pull the trigger on a 3. To me, the 1 is the perfect size. I do not feel the need to trade my 1 in for a new 2. The 1 is perfect to me.

What does everyone else think? Does the 2 appeal to you?

i agree. the 2 is very disappointing. it's like a generic mini-3 series with terrible soccer mom electric steering (the F30 3-series i drove was MISERABLE to drive)....which is not a good thing! For me, the 1-series was pretty much the perfect modern BMW. Small, tossable, modern yet still a bit old fashioned. You can get an inline 6 with or without a turbo. proper steering.....minimal interior...old school looks....6 piston brembos. I left 10+ years of Audi ownership to get a 135is. I would have never done that for the 2-series....in fact i expedited my order of the 135is to make sure i got it in before they stopped production and started selling the 2-series.

My disappointment put aside, the M2 excites me because it is a continuation of a modern classic, the 1M. I have virtually no interest in the 228 or 235....i'd much rather have a 128 or 135.

[Zombie1]

I like how it looks, but as the new models continue to roll out I just get more depressed. Every new model bmw releases it seems they take a step further away from that "pure" driving experience they have been praised for the last 30years. I'm sure performance will be great, but after I'm done with the 135i I'll go get an E90/E92 M3.

[Robin_NL]

The only thing I'm worried about is the already mentioned EPS(I had a F30 335i for a few months), the rest looks and sounds alright, though a M235i would be a nice (more or less) successor to my 1M , it just isn't

M2 it is eventually...

Cheers
Robin

[lowbudgethero]

Originally Posted by 1Pirate

Not so sure about that. Many of us on the forum are enthusiasts who like to modify cars. Much more so than the general public. It appears to me that there are a lot of 135i owners on this forum with tunes too.

sorry, not what i meant, most of us here the power difference between the two cars doesn't matter

but most of the general public it will matter

[2012_135i]

Originally Posted by SinisterBlack128

...I may upgrade to the m235i in a couple years...

I'd do it sooner rather than later. They may pull the plug early like they did the 1M.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

I was told its only about 20% new. And thats mostly in the sheet metal.

i was told the exact same thing!! Basically the electrical system and the suspension have been altered along with the wheelbase length....otherwise it's the same car with a new, less interesting skin.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by Stohlen

They are pretty much the same thing...

Added a bit more power, but didn't make the engine any stronger to take more boost... So you could really do the same thing to a 1 series with a tune.

Revised the suspension a bit, but didn't change it so much that when modified, will make it perform any better than a one series.

LSD option is a pro, but will probably cost as much as to add to a one series.

Made it lighter. Big pro here...

Ruined the steering. Big con here...

I think its down right ugly, so i'll keep my 1 series.

Sorry, but I cannot find one ugly thing , whatsoever about the 2. I think it is the most beautiful design since the e46.


And the interior is just insane.


Ive also heard from an f30 driver that the EPS isnt really that bad.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by golf_234

Ive also heard from an f30 driver that the EPS isnt really that bad.

he's lying or just defending what he bought. it SUCKS. lol. i've driven 2 F30s and honestly i've felt more steering feel on a toilet flush lever.

[Solo_M_Tech]

^ the 228i I drove was deep sea blue I think, it was a good looking car. If it felt more like the 1er I would have ordered one. My 128i just made me happy we're the 228i made me feel nothing.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

he's lying or just defending what he bought. it SUCKS. lol. i've driven 2 F30s and honestly i've felt more steering feel on a toilet flush lever.

were you on sport or comfort?

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by golf_234

were you on sport or comfort?

i have no idea....does it matter? the steering should feel good ALL the time on a performance car!!!

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by SinisterBlack128

^ the 228i I drove was deep sea blue I think, it was a good looking car. If it felt more like the 1er I would have ordered one. My 128i just made me happy we're the 228i made me feel nothing.

you definitely made the right choice. they may say 'pre-production', etc....but honestly these cars are in production NOW.....there's no time to change stuff. The way your review sounded is likely what's coming.

[Solo_M_Tech]

And remember if you don't get the 235i or M235i you get stuck with a 180hp turbo 4 cylinder. That was also a huge deal breaker for me. I feel the inline 6 is mandatory. But that's just me. The 228i I drove had the turbo 4 cylinder and it sounded like well every other turbo 4 cylinder and just felt numb. Good torque but just uneventful.

[tuco44]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

he's lying or just defending what he bought. it SUCKS. lol. i've driven 2 F30s and honestly i've felt more steering feel on a toilet flush lever.

Opinions are always good..........................

[fasteddie222]

Sorry but the 2 series looks way better than the 1 series. The 2 series will be my next car forsure

[2012_135i]

Personally, I don't care for the front interior wheel and dash. Too busy and glitzy for my taste. For all the hits the 1er take for it's interior I prefer it. Except for the visors of course.

[MZWIE]

For me one of the biggest issue are the lack of color choices. I've never been a fan of metallic and now there are only two choices available. I'll stick with my Crimson Red for a long time.

[jb2178]

Originally Posted by golf_234

Sorry, but I cannot find one ugly thing , whatsoever about the 2. I think it is the most beautiful design since the e46.

I guess your argument is maybe my biggest problem with the 2 series (gross, ack). You mentioned not finding anything ugly about the model and then posted the $50K+ models photos... this is the base 2 door bmw and the photos you post about it are the carbon M bits models that are going to cost more than half of $100,000 to own new?!?!?! Let's look at what most of the "poo"-series will look like:


I bought my ideal car back in 2008 and it's sweet, sport package, upgraded audio and all for the same price as the base 228i even when it's camping:


I just hate how in order to own a nice two door bmw you have to dress it in carbon and put added BS on it so it doesn't look like an X5/accord gran coupe bastard child. A good ole E30 325i looked fine, if you wanted to go fast you bought a 325is. Now in order to own a decent looking 2 door bmw you have to spend $45K?

I'll stick with my 1, thanks...

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by SinisterBlack128

And remember if you don't get the 235i or M235i you get stuck with a 180hp turbo 4 cylinder. That was also a huge deal breaker for me. I feel the inline 6 is mandatory. But that's just me. The 228i I drove had the turbo 4 cylinder and it sounded like well every other turbo 4 cylinder and just felt numb. Good torque but just uneventful.

WHAT? You have a 180hp turbo 4 228i in Europe?
The turbo 4 banger in my X1 2.8i has 240hp..

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i have no idea....does it matter? the steering should feel good ALL the time on a performance car!!!

The steering feel DOES change when in Sport of SportPlus. Both are the same slightly heavier feel. I really did not feel any sharper feedback though/ Just a heavier feel. But no where near the heavy feeling that my 135i has. This was when I was on the 435i intro in Lisbon. Basically the EPS(electronic power steering) goes from very light to sort of not as light when in Sport or SportPlus modes.

The guys from BMW AG told me that the 135i has the hardest, heaviest feeling of any BMW built. They did this to hark back to the 2002 "feeling". And they told me some customer's complained... so thats why they gave the new 4er a softer steering feel. I don't like that. German cars SHOULD feel different than other cars. And steering and brake feel is a major part of what the driver feels.

Dack