Funny Read

[MrRoboto]

Check out this one. Interesting how some folks equate the subaru Legacy with the 135i. I find it interesting how a person who drives a Subaru can call the BMW ugly. To each his own I guess.

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69783

[damian]

How many people there are equating the Legacy to the 135i?

[1ster]

Originally Posted by damian

How many people there are equating the Legacy to the 135i?

Not many. I think the Legacy is a perfectly respectable car. The Spec B looks quite entertaining, they're super safe, and they have a certain Q ship factor that the 1-Series lacks.

That said, I can't see anyone cross-shopping the two cars. They are targeting different audiences.

[damian]

Originally Posted by 1ster

Not many. I think the Legacy is a perfectly respectable car. The Spec B looks quite entertaining, they're super safe, and they have a certain Q ship factor that the 1-Series lacks.

That said, I can't see anyone cross-shopping the two cars. They are targeting different audiences.

Maybe not cross-shopping, but I think many people will look at a certain price range and change their minds a lot about exactly what they're looking for. So far I've gone from STi to the Spec B to used M3 to 335i to G coupe to 335i to S4 to 335i to 135i :smile:

[Victor.L3IchibanM3]

Da Subaru looks damn fugly car

[Brookside]

Originally Posted by damian

Maybe not cross-shopping, but I think many people will look at a certain price range and change their minds a lot about exactly what they're looking for. So far I've gone from STi to the Spec B to used M3 to 335i to G coupe to 335i to S4 to 335i to 135i :smile:

Funny you say that.
I'm true blue BMW but we certainly looked at the Subaru Legacy as an alternative-
and I've heard other bimmer guys (especially in the winter) bring up the Suby.
The consumer metrics on this fall back position must be strange.

[damian]

Originally Posted by Brookside

Funny you say that.
I'm true blue BMW but we certainly looked at the Subaru Legacy as an alternative-
and I've heard other bimmer guys (especially in the winter) bring up the Suby.
The consumer metrics on this fall back position must be strange.

I think a lot of consumers will figure on a price range first, and look at the possibilities there. I'm looking pretty much anywhere between 30k and 50k. Originally, I really needed 4 doors and a decent backseat, but wanted power and fun, which is why I had a WRX and then an STi. I really like the sports sedan thing, so this time was shopping for "classier" cars in that group, like the Legacy, G Coupe, 335i, etc. At that point it's a matter of how much you want to spend for more power and frills as you move up that food chain. Looks are very low on my priorities.

Now I realized I don't really need as much room inside because we have another car for family stuff, so it opened up my options a bit.

[aesthetect]

legacy is a (arguably the last) good looking subaru. price and performance are in the same ball park, as long as you just say no to frilly BMW options.

[MrRoboto]

Legacy is a decent car but does not come close to premium German brands. There is no comparison to German cars IMO.

[damian]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Legacy is a decent car but does not come close to premium German brands. There is no comparison to German cars IMO.

Eh. Go check out Subaru models in something like consumer reports.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by damian

Eh. Go check out Subaru models in something like consumer reports.

Not at all interested when I shop for a german car. Might as well get a Toyota if that were the case.

[fishbulb]

drove a Legacy GT right after driving an auto 335i. I am a subaru fan, but there is really no comparison at all. Granted, there is a hell of a price difference. But the legacy wasn't even in the same ball park.....

[damian]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

Not at all interested when I shop for a german car. Might as well get a Toyota if that were the case.

Well, when you don't even look, that's why you'll never understand why there's a comparison.

[damian]

Originally Posted by fishbulb

drove a Legacy GT right after driving an auto 335i. I am a subaru fan, but there is really no comparison at all. Granted, there is a hell of a price difference. But the legacy wasn't even in the same ball park.....

How about Legacy GT v. a lower end 3 series? What about when you include standard AWD and you live in Michigan?

If there truly were no comparison, there wouldn't be loads of articles making the comparison.

[damian]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=1

Enjoy!

[Marto]

Originally Posted by 1ster

That said, I can't see anyone cross-shopping the two cars. They are targeting different audiences.

Hi all, been lurking for months, thought this compelled me enough to register and post. :roundel:

Funnily enough I was very close to buying the Liberty GT Spec B tuned by STI. But when I did the math and worked out how much I'd be playing each month I felt I wasn't really getting enough of a wow factor for my money. Cross shopped next to Audi to size up a 2.0 TT - with a 6-8 month wait list for my spec I figured I'd wait for more details on the 135i. So very glad I did, the more I read and see the more I want. I could never go back to Subaru now but that being said there are a huge number of people that put the Liberty and the 3 Series in the same category.

[vinazzurro]

Originally Posted by 1ster

Not many. I think the Legacy is a perfectly respectable car. The Spec B looks quite entertaining, they're super safe, and they have a certain Q ship factor that the 1-Series lacks.

That said, I can't see anyone cross-shopping the two cars. They are targeting different audiences.

Serious question: What's a "Q ship factor"?

[atr_hugo]

Ah - nautical term - a merchant ship, armed to the teeth, and yet made up to look quite innocent. The British did them in WW I (a good book to read on the British Q-ships is, "My Mystery Ships", by Campbell - the British Admiralty used the 'Q', i.e., Q-5, designation for all decoy merchant ships in 1916) and the Germans were known to use them to good advantage in WW II.

My favorite Q-ship is a 2003 Audi S6 - ha a real sleeper!!

[vinazzurro]

Ah. OK. So basically it's a sleeper then.

I know more than your average person about WWI and WWII (or so I thought), and I had never heard of that.

Thanks, Hugo.

[WolfsburgerMitFries]

Originally Posted by vinazzurro

Ah. OK. So basically it's a sleeper then.

I know more than your average person about WWI and WWII (or so I thought), and I had never heard of that.

Thanks, Hugo.

Oh yeah, The original meaning of a "Q-ship" was lotsa fun. See, you take your average everyday merchant freight ship and bolt a 5 inch gun to the deck, and then throw a tarp over it. Later, when you're on the high seas and that U-boat surfaces next to you and wants to board your ship, you say "be right with you", then you yank that tarp off the gun and put a shell through the hull of your friendly pirate and send them down to davy jones' locker.


:headbang::headbang::headbang:
Apply directly to the hull