Top Gear: HSV Walkinshaw R8 - 135i EATER!

Eazy-e · 05-19-2009, 11:34 PM

How much does a 135i cost in Australia according to US dollars?

BMW86 · 05-20-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eazy-e

How much does a 135i cost in Australia according to US dollars?

The 135i is listed as AU$72k but realistically after you pay all the on road fees, dealer fees, stamp duty etc you are looking at around AU$85k for a completely base model 135i with manual transmission (auto AU$3k extra).

As far as I can tell the only differences between US and AU spec is that in Australia all 135i comes standard in M Sport (m kit, m wheels etc) and so are leather seats are also standard. The sunroof is not standard.

So compartively a 135i will set you back around AU$85-100k for the coupe depending on options. The HSV Walkinshaw is between $80k-105k depending on how it is spec'd out. The 135i in Australia is still considered one of the best bang for your buck cars especially in the Euro segment, but this HSV is giving you alot more performance for the same amount of $$$.

oldman · 05-20-2009, 06:02 PM

Actually if you go for the top of the range Walkinshaw (HSV W427), you're in a completely different ball game with a price comparitive to a new M3 (around A$160,000) with similar performance I'm led to believe.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=52470

I personally know which I would buy out of those two because after all said and done, it's still a Holden.

sunking420 · 05-21-2009, 07:58 AM

Everytime I think of Australia and cars together I think of the original "Mad Max". "That thing in there.....that's not the Goose...." "Long live the Nightrider......"

BMW86 · 05-21-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

Actually if you go for the top of the range Walkinshaw (HSV W427), you're in a completely different ball game with a price comparitive to a new M3 (around A$160,000) with similar performance I'm led to believe.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=52470

I personally know which I would buy out of those two because after all said and done, it's still a Holden.

Yes I agree with you, the M3 is a much better car. The HSV W427 is alot more exclusive than any other Holden because they only made 427 units and they are running the 7.0l engine. They fetch around $155k.

The HSV R8 Clubsport Walkinshaw is essentially a standard R8 ($60k or so) with a supercharger kit. It makes alot more power than any other Holden and is about 70k cheaper than the less powerful W427.

I agree with everyone that the M3 and M5 are the better cars here. But not suprisingly they cost more too. Would anyone consider a R8 Walkinshaw 470kw 770nm over a 135i though?

oldman · 05-21-2009, 01:28 PM

Will the HSV W427 be the next Phase III GT Falcon in 30 years from now and be worth A$500K or even much more?
I had a GT Falcon Phase II and wish I hadn't sold it like many other cars I've had, but who would have known.
I still remember the Phase III was about A$4,500 on the road back then and a Ferrari 246 Dino was A$14,500. Still a lot of money at that time.
History seems to show that most performance cars made in limited numbers will be come very collectable and very expensive over time and if you are willing to keep it in the garage for 30 years who could guess what it may be worth in the future.

dmboone25 · 05-21-2009, 04:13 PM

Watched the videos, and looks like a cool car, in either trim.

I don't think I would cross-shop this car with the 135i, even though the performance bang for the buck seems to be really good.

Having never driven one, I obviously have no idea, but this just looks a lot bigger than the 1er. I like the E82's dimensions--the main reason I turned in the E92 for one--and this looks even bigger.....

jeremyc74 · 05-21-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dmboone25

Having never driven one, I obviously have no idea, but this just looks a lot bigger than the 1er. I like the E82's dimensions--the main reason I turned in the E92 for one--and this looks even bigger.....

It's actually between the 5 and 7 Series. It's a large, roomy car. You can see one at your Pontiac dealer if you're interested.

M3Newbie88 · 05-21-2009, 08:27 PM

Though I think this is an awesome car for the power.. I am not digging the hood.. and plus 135i eater hmm maybe in power but other then that I don't see people cross shopping these 2 cars as they are totally different..

BMW86 · 08-05-2009, 02:53 AM

The Holden HSV Walkinshaw R8 was on the finale of Top Gear Season 7 recently. It has been rebadged as the Vauxhaul VXR8 Bathurst... Richard Hammond gave it a really good review, he picked it over the new Audi S4.

Blacky · 08-05-2009, 03:58 AM

Not quite the Walkinshaw spec but as I am in the market for a new car I took a new GTS for a test drive.

It didn't impress me!

Even though I only have a 130 the GTS didn't overwhelm we with mumbo, it felt cheap, the mirror are too small for the car, steering wheel it shit etc etc. but you cant take the boggan out of the man

Waiting for the series 2 HSV to come out later this month.

Fingers crossed.

BMW86 · 08-05-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacky

Not quite the Walkinshaw spec but as I am in the market for a new car I took a new GTS for a test drive.

It didn't impress me!

Even though I only have a 130 the GTS didn't overwhelm we with mumbo, it felt cheap, the mirror are too small for the car, steering wheel it shit etc etc. but you cant take the boggan out of the man

Waiting for the series 2 HSV to come out later this month.

Fingers crossed.

I took the HSV R8 for a spin, same car no leather and I was felt feeling the same way. I wasn't very impressed with its speed on a roll or from a dig but I'm sure the 6.2l V8 with a Supercharger is another story though...

Holden claims 4.0 seconds but I think it's more like 4.6 sec

Simsims · 08-05-2009, 10:01 AM

it comes with a 6L engine, that's 2x 3.0L.

BMW86 · 08-05-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Simsims

it comes with a 6L engine, that's 2x 3.0L.

I think I must be the only person that would consider this car on my short list if the 135i wasn't available. It's exactly the same price as a moderately optioned 135i coupe but the HSV is more of a contender with the M3 and C63 when it comes to outright performance. Plus the 135i is regarded as one of the best value cars in terms of performance here in Australia too.

Check out the stats...

SPECIFICATIONS

BODY 4-door, 5-seat sedan
DRIVE rear wheels
ENGINE 90-degree V8, OHV, 16v
MATERIAL alloy head/alloy block
BORE/STROKE 103.25 x 92.0mm
CAPACITY 6162cc
COMPRESSION 10.7:1
POWER 470kW @ 6500rpm
TORQUE 770Nm @ 4500rpm
REDLINE/CUT none/6600rpm
FUEL/TANK 98 octane/73 litres
KERB WEIGHT 1842kg
POWER-TO-WEIGHT 255kW/tonne
TRANSMISSION 6-speed manual
RATIOS 3.01/2.07/1.43/1.00/0.84/0.57
FINAL DRIVE 3.70
SUSPENSION struts, A-arms, anti-roll bar (f), multi-links, coil springs, anti-roll bar
LENGTH/WIDTH/HEIGHT 4943/1899/1468mm
WHEELBASE 2915mm
TRACKS (f/r) 1592/1590mm
STEERING power pack and pinion
TURNING CIRCLE 11.4m
LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.9 turns
BRAKES 365mm ventilated discs, four-piston calipers (f), 350mm ventilated discs, four-piston calipers ®, ABS, EBD, ESP, TC
TYRES Falken ZR22
SIZE 245/30R22 (f), 285/25R22 ®
PRICE $97,160 (as tested)

FAST TIMES - considering my best 0-100km/h in the 135i coupe was a 4.84 sec with a Gtech!

0-10km/h 0.39sec
0-20km/h 0.81sec
0-30km/h 1.21sec
0-40km/h 1.61sec
0-50km/h 2.04sec
0-60km/h 2.41sec
0-70km/h 2.79sec
0-80km/h 3.45sec
0-90km/h 3.84sec
0-100km/h 4.24sec
0-110km/h 5.28sec
0-120km/h 5.95sec
0-130km/h 6.68sec
0-140km/h 7.33sec
0-150km/h 8.38sec
0-160km/h 9.30sec
0-170km/h 10.28sec
0-180km/h 11.24sec
0-190km/h 12.26sec

0-400m 12,53 @ 192.71 km/h

I wonder how much more power they can squeeze out of these with mods...

So far I've seen 2 HSV R8 utes and they both had the Walkinshaw hood but they weren't actually supercharged... I was really disappointed.

RPM90 · 08-05-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrokenVert

I think that the 20" look better on the car anyway. That car looks sick tho...but isn't that the same car as the Pontiac G8 GXP?

The G8 GXP is a 0-60 in 4.7 and gets even faster headed towards 100mph and beyond.
I test drove one and is fast. Great sounding V8. However, it's heavy and wallowy in cornering, but not too bad. Fun car considering how much discount there is on it. I drove the manual, and our 135i is just about as quick to 60 and actually feels faster than the GXP. And, the handling and tossability of the 135i outshines the GXP.

That Holden though has an awesome sounding engine, LOVE IT!
That supercharger is liked a crazed banshee on full wail.

RPM90 · 08-05-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

It's a big car. That's a few ticks faster than an M5, which is about the same weight.

? The HSV R8 isn't faster than the V10 M5.
Now, the CTS-V supercharged is one serious competitor to the M5.

MotorTrend did a road test of the CTS-V and the V10 M5.

The M5 0-60 was 4.1
CTS-V was 4.0
HSV R8 is 4.5 (0-62mph), according to the OP's article.

In cars this powerful, 0-100 and beyond, and 1/4 mile and trap show their power better, imo.
0-60 with this much power is easily hampered by tires, and skill at launching it. Do it wrong and you're left with all that power going up in tire smoke.

0-100mph
M5- 9.5 seconds
CTS-V- 9.1 seconds

1/4 mile / trap speed
M5- 12.5/115.3mph
CTS-V 12.3/117mph

THAT'S torque.

RPM90 · 08-05-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW86

I think I must be the only person that would consider this car on my short list if the 135i wasn't available. It's exactly the same price as a moderately optioned 135i coupe but the HSV is more of a contender with the M3 and C63 when it comes to outright performance. Plus the 135i is regarded as one of the best value cars in terms of performance here in Australia too.

Check out the stats...

SPECIFICATIONS

BODY 4-door, 5-seat sedan
DRIVE rear wheels
ENGINE 90-degree V8, OHV, 16v
MATERIAL alloy head/alloy block
BORE/STROKE 103.25 x 92.0mm
CAPACITY 6162cc

So far I've seen 2 HSV R8 utes and they both had the Walkinshaw hood but they weren't actually supercharged... I was really disappointed.

That has to be the CTS-V SC engine.
It's based on the LS9 ZR1 engine.

I haven't driven the new CTS V, but the previous one was fun car to drive, very raw and powerful. I hear and read that this new one is simply amazing. And, in the MT review, they picked the V over the M5, tight margin, but it speaks loudly about what American automobiles are and can be capable of.

CrazyIvan · 08-06-2009, 12:46 AM

Sure is fast, but not my taste.

StuartM · 08-06-2009, 01:07 AM

BMW's have class, style and German build quality.

RPM90 · 08-06-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartM

BMW's have class, style and German build quality.

I agree.
Also, Cadillac have really upped their game, and are returning back to the days when being a "like a Cadillac" meant it had class, style, and excellent build quality, along with ability.

jeremyc74 · 08-06-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RPM90

? The HSV R8 isn't faster than the V10 M5.
Now, the CTS-V supercharged is one serious competitor to the M5.

MotorTrend did a road test of the CTS-V and the V10 M5.

The M5 0-60 was 4.1
CTS-V was 4.0
HSV R8 is 4.5 (0-62mph), according to the OP's article.

In cars this powerful, 0-100 and beyond, and 1/4 mile and trap show their power better, imo.
0-60 with this much power is easily hampered by tires, and skill at launching it. Do it wrong and you're left with all that power going up in tire smoke.

0-100mph
M5- 9.5 seconds
CTS-V- 9.1 seconds

1/4 mile / trap speed
M5- 12.5/115.3mph
CTS-V 12.3/117mph

THAT'S torque.

You're not comparing apples to apples. MotorTrend uses roll-out for their 0-60 times, which shaves off a tenth or two. The times for the HSV don't include rollout. If you compare European M5 times to it, they're about the same or a little slower, depending on the source.

Either way, my point was that it's in VERY fast company in its class.

jeremyc74 · 08-06-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RPM90

That has to be the CTS-V SC engine.
It's based on the LS9 ZR1 engine.

.

No, it's a supercharged LS3. They're not using the same blower the CTS-V is.

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oldman . 31 Rep 439 Posts Drives: 09 135i AW Coupe Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NSW Australia iTrader: (0)	Will the HSV W427 be the next Phase III GT Falcon in 30 years from now and be worth A$500K or even much more? I had a GT Falcon Phase II and wish I hadn't sold it like many other cars I've had, but who would have known. I still remember the Phase III was about A$4,500 on the road back then and a Ferrari 246 Dino was A$14,500. Still a lot of money at that time. History seems to show that most performance cars made in limited numbers will be come very collectable and very expensive over time and if you are willing to keep it in the garage for 30 years who could guess what it may be worth in the future.
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