Where to buy subframe inserts?

[Ptstops]

I am looking to do the much-discussed Whiteline subframe inserts on my e88, but I can't find them in stock anywhere. Anyone know of a seller who might have some who can ship to the East Coast for decent money? I tried to order from a couple of the bigger names, but they were out of stock for 4-6weeks.

[pj.rodriguez]

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_...page=&catsize=

[DietTab]

I got mine direct from amazon just last week.

[Ptstops]

Ordering from Australia will incur shipping that is twice the price of the product. I was hoping to get something more local.

I had ordered a set from Amazon, but then was informed that they were out of stock (even though the listing showed that they had a few sets in stock!) Same with ebay.

[Freon]

From the DIY thread:
http://www.aftermarketsuspensionpart...sp?prod=KDT918

They list them as in stock.

[128Convertibleguy]

Got mine here, one of the few places that offers the harder "race" version. The base Powerflex are, I believe, the same as the Whiteline, the harder are harder.

No commercial connection, just a satisfied customer.

You need a specific set for the front and another set for the rear.

http://www.harrisonmotorsports.com/p...2006-2011.html

[Ptstops]

Thanks for the replies, guys.

Aftermarketsuspensionparts is Diverse Suspension Technologies, which lists the Whiteline kdt918 in several places, including ebay and Amazon. They are out of stock, awaiting a huge back order, as I was told today when I called them, even though these same listings indicate "In Stock". You don't find out that they don't have them until after you place your order, and then they put you on the "waiting list". I guess I should give up on finding a retailer who has a set in stock who can ship at a reasonable cost. Too bad...

Thanks, 128convertibleguy! it looks like this might be my next best option in terms of sticking with inserts. I hadn't even considered using Powerflex, as most posts I read had indicated that Whiteline was an easy install and easy to get a hold of.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by Ptstops

Thanks, 128convertibleguy! it looks like this might be my next best option in terms of sticking with inserts. I hadn't even considered using Powerflex, as most posts I read had indicated that Whiteline was an easy install and easy to get a hold of.

It's exactly the same install with the Powerflex inserts. If Harrison has them in stock they're maybe easier to get a hold of.

[Ski Killset]

http://www.aftermarketsuspensionpart...sp?prod=KDT918

I bought mine here, they came in about three days.

[3002 tii]

Bought mine on Amazon b/c it came with free shipping.

[KD718]

So it seems like the actual bushings are out of stock everywhere. Aggravating that nearly every part I've bought for this thing has been backordered to some extent. I've been waiting on bushings since May. Don't want to go through all the work and just put in inserts.

[DietTab]

idk about 'all the work' it took all of 20 minutes to put my inserts in

[lastMleft]

Originally Posted by DietTab

idk about 'all the work' it took all of 20 minutes to put my inserts in

Did you use new bolts?

[Ski Killset]

Originally Posted by DietTab

idk about 'all the work' it took all of 20 minutes to put my inserts in

Mine too. Took longer to jack the car up and take the wheels off.

[KD718]

Yea I mean I guess its not that hard just didn't feel like messing with them twice.

[DietTab]

Originally Posted by Rukuss

Did you use new bolts?

no

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by DietTab

no

According to BMW, you should replace the (aluminum?) bolts. I guess you could maybe get away without, but that's way too risky for me. I don't work on my car to get away with things, especially on things which hold the wheels in place.

Or maybe you can't get away with not replacing them. See posts 62,64,74, and (especially) 85 in this thread. The bottom line is that someone liked the inserts for a while, and then didn't. Retorquing the bolts helped for a little while. Replacing them seems to be working.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...1033399&page=4

[DietTab]

Originally Posted by 128Convertibleguy

According to BMW, you should replace the (aluminum?) bolts. I guess you could maybe get away without, but that's way too risky for me. I don't work on my car to get away with things, especially on things which hold the wheels in place.

Or maybe you can't get away with not replacing them. See posts 62,64,74, and (especially) 85 in this thread. The bottom line is that someone liked the inserts for a while, and then didn't. Retorquing the bolts helped for a little while. Replacing them seems to be working.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...1033399&page=4

You don't ever need to retorque a properly torqued fastener, and you're an idiot if you think those bolts are aluminium.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by DietTab

You don't ever need to retorque a properly torqued fastener, and you're an idiot if you think those bolts are aluminium.

As far as aluminum goes, the parentheses and question mark were because someone else said they were, and I didn't think so. But, personally, I wasn't sure enough to call them an idiot. I rarely am. And maybe we're both wrong. Here's another thread with someone else also saying they are aluminum:

"Judging by how light they are and appearance I think the bolts are aluminum or magnesium alloy"

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...=875885&page=3

As far as "properly torqued" goes, the reason some bolts are one time use, is that they are designed to stretch permanently, and you cannot "properly torque" them more than once.

Read the other thread. Someone tried to "properly torque" the one time use bolts a second time after reusing them, and they didn't hold.

[DietTab]

They're light because they're small. It's a standard 10.9 metric bolt, and they aren't TTY, they're TTS. You can reuse them. I don't put a lot of faith in uncalibrated torque devices 99% of the people here use, but I'd still be more inclined to believe the inserts weren't seated correctly vs a bolt torque issue.

[128Convertibleguy]

Originally Posted by DietTab

They're light because they're small. It's a standard 10.9 metric bolt, and they aren't TTY, they're TTS. You can reuse them. I don't put a lot of faith in uncalibrated torque devices 99% of the people here use, but I'd still be more inclined to believe the inserts weren't seated correctly vs a bolt torque issue.

Actually, insults aside, you and I agree on a lot. I have quality dial torque wrenches in different ranges for different stuff. I don't use clickers and I don't recommend them. Unlike dials, they go out of calibration easily, and it's virtually unnoticeable. Trying to torque a dirty or corroded bolt, or lubricating one that's supposed to be installed dry, are other ways to mess up.

But BMW does say they are one time use, only. They're not doing that to sell bolts, they have some engineering reason, and I wouldn't trust anyone here to say they're wrong. Maybe it's because they're exposed to dirt and corrosion. Another reason sometimes is some sort of distorted thread locking mechanism. Whatever, a problem with the inserts was solved by someone replacing the bolts. Not replacing them is cutting corners on critical suspension work. People here worry about a lot less important stuff.

[chewren]

Any updates on where i can order this?