Tram runs red light

cozza · 10-09-2008, 03:42 AM

professor · 10-09-2008, 03:48 AM

oh my god corey! i am sincerely so sorry to hear about this incident, but i am also very glad that you are unhurt. it could have been much worse.

more power to you for standing your ground on this. the principle of the law siding with the tram driver gives them carte blanche and is patently unjustifiable.

volk613 · 10-09-2008, 03:49 AM

good luck. the are taxi drivers on tracks with that stupid "bell".

Kris · 10-09-2008, 03:58 AM

umm why is there so much damage? jesus. And blood! what the hell

cozza · 10-09-2008, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris

umm why is there so much damage? jesus. And blood! what the hell

The photos are of an accident I witnessed last year, I was just illustrating the carnage trams are capable of. The pics aren't from today :wink:

TimMc · 10-09-2008, 04:04 AM

Nooo!!! Sorry to hear Cozza. I think I'd be going straight to the the tram management people and police to register my complaint and get your side on record ASAP. Any witnesses to help you out? Hopefully the damage is not major.

Kris · 10-09-2008, 04:05 AM

far out cozza - I need to read the whole thread next time :P Hope your 1er is back on the road soon! Good luck!

Timbo · 10-09-2008, 04:07 AM

Oh man that's bloody awful. Glad no one was was hurt. Hope they get your 1 fixed up asap.

takahashi · 10-09-2008, 04:12 AM

It is true that trams always have the right of way... even they hit you from behind! (that is in insurance's eye)

Sorry to hear that and feel for you, but Good luck.

Alpine* · 10-09-2008, 04:41 AM

Sorry to hear Cozza, very unlucky!

AussieRacer · 10-09-2008, 05:11 AM

cozza I feel for you!

I have a hatred of trams that runs very deep. Actually it is more a hatred of tram drivers, and the way other drivers are in constant fear that a tram is about to jump out in front of them on a straight road!!!!

Since I live on a tram route as well.....that probably doesn't help.

So I truly hope you do your best to either stick it up them, or give them hell.

SparklingRed · 10-09-2008, 05:28 AM

Cozza, I know the exact intersection you are talking about, as I pass there every morning too!
Sorry to hear about this!
I think I'll need to be really careful around there!

Guran · 10-09-2008, 05:30 AM

Right that's it. I plan to steer clear of Melbourne in future. It's too bloody dangerous with all those maniac trams.

Sorry to hear about your incident Corey. Best of luck with getting it all sorted.

d3syd · 10-09-2008, 05:35 AM

So sorry to hear of your accident cozza. Good luck.

As a Sydney/Tassie driver, Melbourne's trams and weird tram road rules are always a source of confusion when I drive in your fair city.

Zuzu · 10-09-2008, 05:37 AM

Hey Cozza..Thats just plain bad luck mate..

Every time we visit your lovely city and hire a car, I just think to myself, how the f### do you Melbournites drive around the city with these bloody trams in your face.

Hope the damage isnt too bad and is repaired to your high standards.

Breville · 10-09-2008, 05:53 AM

Terrible business.

Muggs · 10-09-2008, 06:03 AM

Sorry to hear about the incident, I hope that the authorities do the right thing and reprimand the tram driver.
I am seriously considering the purchase of an in-car video capturing device as a safeguard against potentially wrongful judgements such as these. I have found one advertised in W.A. that uses GPS and G force sensors to automatically save video footage prior to and after a collision. I believe they are a fairly hefty investment at around $1k, but as my car is my office I think it would be a wise purchase.[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/EVAN%7E1.DAL/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/EVAN%7E1.DAL/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]

MikeVictor · 10-09-2008, 06:50 AM

Dude! Sorry to hear about the accident mate

I hope your car gets fixed quick

AussieRacer · 10-09-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuzu

Every time we visit your lovely city and hire a car, I just think to myself, how the f### do you Melbournites drive around the city with these bloody trams in your face.

If you are sharing the road with them, you drive around them as if you are overtaking on a freeway. Lots of fun in the 135i.....but damn annoying when the idiot in front is too scared to drive past the tram, especially when the tram is speeding to ensure it keeps everyone behind as it stops every few 100 metres!!!!

ExMX5 · 10-09-2008, 07:04 AM

Pretty crap mate - trams are bar stewards.

Any pics of the damage? Sounds brutal...

xa-coupe · 10-09-2008, 07:23 AM

Those bastards think they are a law unto themselves. I have been opening my door to get out and kick my way into a tram before I thought it over. I now just give them payback by getting in their way as much as they get in mine.
I have heard that trams have right of way but never seen the relevant legislation. It supposedly works with buses too but I know that it crap.
I'd also be interested in how a moving object hits a stationary one and the moving object has right of way ?
I have no illusions about our so called justice system actually being of use to you but I would be doing some research on what legislation is applicable and make sure you actually have no right of recourse before bending over for these arseholes.

imported_Dodgy · 10-09-2008, 07:32 AM

As everyone has said, thoughts are with you.

Tram Drivers are the Rogues of the Road. Most feel they have Royal Authority to do as they like, and when. They know they will win any collision.

Take for example, Whitehorse / Cotham Road. They accelerate to speed as fast as possible, then "Thunder" along as fast as they can, with absolutely no margin for error or ability to stop.

Beaurocrats crap on about car drivers doing 3k over the limit because "Speed Kills".

Trams shouldn't be allowed to do more than 45-50 kph anywhere. Bad luck if it adds 10-15% to travel times.

Hope damage isn't too bad.

PS I know. One day soon. I promise.

10-09-2008, 03:42 AM	#1
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10-09-2008, 03:48 AM	#2
professor Major 46 Rep 1,473 Posts Drives: Z4 M40i Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	oh my god corey! i am sincerely so sorry to hear about this incident, but i am also very glad that you are unhurt. it could have been much worse. more power to you for standing your ground on this. the principle of the law siding with the tram driver gives them carte blanche and is patently unjustifiable.
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volk613 Private 0 Rep 68 Posts Drives: Silver 135i sunroof Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	good luck. the are taxi drivers on tracks with that stupid "bell". __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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10-09-2008, 03:58 AM	#4
Kris Colonel 123 Rep 2,295 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USOFA iTrader: (0)	umm why is there so much damage? jesus. And blood! what the hell
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TimMc Lieutenant Colonel 44 Rep 1,883 Posts Drives: E90 M3 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Brisbane, Australia iTrader: (0)	Nooo!!! Sorry to hear Cozza. I think I'd be going straight to the the tram management people and police to register my complaint and get your side on record ASAP. Any witnesses to help you out? Hopefully the damage is not major. __________________ Driving - Manual E90 M3 (Melbourne Red/Black). Riding - BMW R1200RS Sport.
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10-09-2008, 04:05 AM	#7
Kris Colonel 123 Rep 2,295 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USOFA iTrader: (0)	far out cozza - I need to read the whole thread next time :P Hope your 1er is back on the road soon! Good luck!
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10-09-2008, 04:07 AM	#8
Timbo First Lieutenant 4 Rep 302 Posts Drives: BMW 135 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	Oh man that's bloody awful. Glad no one was was hurt. Hope they get your 1 fixed up asap.
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10-09-2008, 04:12 AM	#9
takahashi Retired trackie 36 Rep 1,527 Posts Drives: 1///M Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	It is true that trams always have the right of way... even they hit you from behind! (that is in insurance's eye) Sorry to hear that and feel for you, but Good luck. __________________ TAKA 一仔BLOGブログ: BMW 1 series M 2011! Delivered 18/11/11.
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10-09-2008, 04:41 AM	#10
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10-09-2008, 05:11 AM	#11
AussieRacer Major 24 Rep 1,058 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Aust iTrader: (0)	cozza I feel for you! I have a hatred of trams that runs very deep. Actually it is more a hatred of tram drivers, and the way other drivers are in constant fear that a tram is about to jump out in front of them on a straight road!!!! Since I live on a tram route as well.....that probably doesn't help. So I truly hope you do your best to either stick it up them, or give them hell. __________________ Current: 135i Auto, Le Mans Blue - w/ Bridgestone RE-11 rears, GP Thunder 7500k angels, & "golf tee" mod plus a few M3 suspension bits and pieces...
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10-09-2008, 05:28 AM	#12
SparklingRed Lieutenant 42 Rep 469 Posts Drives: 125i -> M135i -> M2C Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	Cozza, I know the exact intersection you are talking about, as I pass there every morning too! Sorry to hear about this! I think I'll need to be really careful around there! __________________
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10-09-2008, 05:30 AM	#13
Guran Captain 24 Rep 895 Posts Drives: 08 135i Coupe Join Date: May 2008 Location: Wollongong, Australia iTrader: (0)	Right that's it. I plan to steer clear of Melbourne in future. It's too bloody dangerous with all those maniac trams. Sorry to hear about your incident Corey. Best of luck with getting it all sorted. __________________ 08 BMW 135i Sport Coupe \| Manual \| Sparkling Graphite \| Coral Red Boston Leather \| 10 Speaker Hi Fi
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10-09-2008, 05:35 AM	#14
d3syd Major 50 Rep 1,474 Posts Drives: 135i MT, LMB, ProNav Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Scamander, Tasmania iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 135i Coupe [0.00]	So sorry to hear of your accident cozza. Good luck. As a Sydney/Tassie driver, Melbourne's trams and weird tram road rules are always a source of confusion when I drive in your fair city. __________________ Fun Car: 135i Manual LeMans Blue / Beige Leather / Grey Poplar / pro nav / euro plates. Delivered 24 June 08 Family Car: Land Rover Discovery 4 SDV6 Spare Car: Volvo V70 Sydney Car: MB 420SEL
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10-09-2008, 05:37 AM	#15
Zuzu Major General 2816 Rep 7,637 Posts Drives: M2C HS 6MT Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sydney Australia iTrader: (0)	Hey Cozza..Thats just plain bad luck mate.. Every time we visit your lovely city and hire a car, I just think to myself, how the f### do you Melbournites drive around the city with these bloody trams in your face. Hope the damage isnt too bad and is repaired to your high standards.
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Muggs New Member 3 Rep 15 Posts Drives: 130i Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	Sorry to hear about the incident, I hope that the authorities do the right thing and reprimand the tram driver. I am seriously considering the purchase of an in-car video capturing device as a safeguard against potentially wrongful judgements such as these. I have found one advertised in W.A. that uses GPS and G force sensors to automatically save video footage prior to and after a collision. I believe they are a fairly hefty investment at around $1k, but as my car is my office I think it would be a wise purchase.[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/EVAN%7E1.DAL/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/IMG][IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/EVAN%7E1.DAL/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG] Attached Images
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ExMX5 Engineering Tool 5 Rep 152 Posts Drives: Join Date: Aug 2008 iTrader: (0)	Pretty crap mate - trams are bar stewards. Any pics of the damage? Sounds brutal... __________________ 135i M-sport Convertible <> Monaco Blue, Lemon Interior, Brushed Al Trim, Black Rag, Hi-Fi, Pro Nav, Front/Rear PDC, BMW Performance SSK Due December 15th!
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10-09-2008, 07:23 AM	#21
xa-coupe Wannabe 6 Rep 268 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jun 2008 iTrader: (0)	Those bastards think they are a law unto themselves. I have been opening my door to get out and kick my way into a tram before I thought it over. I now just give them payback by getting in their way as much as they get in mine. I have heard that trams have right of way but never seen the relevant legislation. It supposedly works with buses too but I know that it crap. I'd also be interested in how a moving object hits a stationary one and the moving object has right of way ? I have no illusions about our so called justice system actually being of use to you but I would be doing some research on what legislation is applicable and make sure you actually have no right of recourse before bending over for these arseholes.
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10-09-2008, 07:32 AM	#22
imported_Dodgy First Lieutenant 6 Rep 340 Posts Drives: SG 135i 6M Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	As everyone has said, thoughts are with you. Tram Drivers are the Rogues of the Road. Most feel they have Royal Authority to do as they like, and when. They know they will win any collision. Take for example, Whitehorse / Cotham Road. They accelerate to speed as fast as possible, then "Thunder" along as fast as they can, with absolutely no margin for error or ability to stop. Beaurocrats crap on about car drivers doing 3k over the limit because "Speed Kills". Trams shouldn't be allowed to do more than 45-50 kph anywhere. Bad luck if it adds 10-15% to travel times. Hope damage isn't too bad. PS I know. One day soon. I promise. __________________ Delivered! 1700hrs Tues May 20 2008: Sparkling Graphite, 6MT, Black Boston Leather, Accented Aluminium, Sun Roof, Pro Nav, Comfort Access.
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