Wagner Tuning Intercooler

[Leroi]

They have offered a GB on E90post -

[Here it is guys !!!! This group buy is for our BMW 1 M Upgrade Intercooler this Intercooler fits into 135,335, Z4, and 1M. Engine size N54 and N55. All the necessary hardware is included. The group buy Price is $585.00 Plus shipping we have 25 intercoolers that we can do this price on. You guys will have 25 days to reach 25 Intercoolers sold to reach the group buy price. If you live in the US the intercoolers will ship from California, any orders out of the US will ship from Germany. You will not be charged until the group buy is over our website will just take all your info down than it will process it if once the group buy is over. Click the link below and it will direct you to the website.

http://www.wagner-tuning.com/BMW-1-M...oler_p_42.html

The new BMW 1M EVO Intercooler from Wagner Tuning

• stepped High Performance Intercooler Core with Turbulators
• Size 520 x 210 x130, 11.752cm� Volume (OEM 510x130x110mm, 7293cm� Volume)
• CAD / FEM optimized Aluminum Cast Endtanks
• Plug & Play Installation, no Cutting, no Bumper removal required
• aprox.85% bigger Surface as OEM IC
• using the Stock plumbing

[Experimental]

Thanks brotha!

[Grey Dove]

I ordered mine a week ago

[Freon]

Wow, looks like a nice unit and a great price.

[Suds]

Looks like a nice design with the cast end caps, for $600 I had to sign up, I know my car suffers from the high temps here in Texas, I will see if this helps cool the hot summer.

[Grey Dove]

anybody have an idea on the HP gain? shouldn't it be somewhere around 20 or so?

[RimasRS]

So if I am located in europe will I have same price an it will be shipped from europe?

[EINSER M]

great stuff, installed mine on the 1M a few months ago

[Leroi]

Originally Posted by RimasRS

So if I am located in europe will I have same price an it will be shipped from europe?

Sounds like it would ship from Germany, but PM Nick@Wagner-Tuning

[Pig Farmer]

Some previous posts suggest that Wagner makes both a tube&fin and bar&plate I/C for our cars. Does anyone know if this is the bar&plate version?

[dji]

Wagner over ams for almost the same price on N54tuning.com ?

[Qbrozen]

Originally Posted by dji

Wagner over ams for almost the same price on N54tuning.com ?

que?

[Pablito1702]

Originally Posted by Pig Farmer

Some previous posts suggest that Wagner makes both a tube&fin and bar&plate I/C for our cars. Does anyone know if this is the bar&plate version?

Per Carsten (the owner in Germany) the units produced for the US market are all bar and plate design, are manufactured in Germany but are shipped from their facility in California. I installed one in my 135i a few weeks ago, after conferring with EinserM and Dack. The group buy is a great price. See my post.

[Zebra99]

Here's a question....

Isn't the stock pluming the more restrictive part of the FMIC system itself? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of an upgraded FMIC?
Not to say it still won't be better than OEM, but that you don't get max use out of it?

I'm curious because I want an FMIC and can't for the life of me figure out which one to choose and why I should be paying $1000 for one.
Just worried that this $600 one won't cut it like the others....

Please advise here

[Freon]

Isn't the stock pluming the more restrictive part of the FMIC system itself? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of an upgraded FMIC?
Not to say it still won't be better than OEM, but that you don't get max use out of it?

I doubt the stock IC piping is as bad as the core itself, but I'm not sure that is relevent. Read this:
http://cp-e.com/sites/default/files/files/n54FMIC.pdf

If your stock intercooler pipes contribute 1psi of pressure loss and the stock IC is 2.5 psi, getting a replacement intercooler that is only 1 psi loss is still a 1.5 psi efficiency gain, regardless of the stock piping.

"Max use" is a curious idea... One could also argue "max use" of your FMIC might also involve a GT3582R single turbo swap.

I'm curious because I want an FMIC and can't for the life of me figure out which one to choose and why I should be paying $1000 for one.
Just worried that this $600 one won't cut it like the others....

I think it's just the marketplace. $600 is plenty for a company to manufacture and sell a quality FMIC in decent volume and still make a profit. Prices go down with competition and as the market grows. $1000 seems awfully extreme to me given the size and complexity, but I can understand why it used to be that much for the first few companies to produce in lower volumes. Most of these intercoolers now fit 5-6 or more years worth of cars. It's a much larger market than it was when some of the $900-1100 units were produced. I just think compared to the Subaru market, a $1000 FMIC has a larger core and 8-10 feet of piping included, and those are very high quality products.

[Suds]

I ordered one last Tuesday and wondered when I might see it. I had hoped it wasn't one of those sign up and wait deals. When I arrived home from work this evening I was surprised to see a large box at front door. Anyway, the intercoller looks good and I can't wait to install it and collect some bugs.
And it is a bar and plate design.

[Diggy Diggy]

Originally Posted by Suds

I ordered one last Tuesday and wondered when I might see it. I had hoped it wasn't one of those sign up and wait deals. When I arrived home from work this evening I was surprised to see a large box at front door. Anyway, the intercoller looks good and I can't wait to install it and collect some bugs.
And it is a bar and plate design.

Can you take some close up pictures and post them? I'm looking at this FMIC!!!

[Suds]

Originally Posted by Diggy Diggy

Can you take some close up pictures and post them? I'm looking at this FMIC!!!

The FMIC pictures on there Website are spot on, my photos probably don't do theirs justice, but there were questions in my mind so here are some interior photos of the castings and other bits.
My home scale weighed it in at 19.8 lbs. Its a substantial piece, feels sturdy compared to a tube and fin design.

[prcsa77]

Suds, good pix, thanks. Looks like a good product. Freon makes a very good argument in regards to value (quality/$) and pricing trends. Too bad I'm not ready for this type of purchase...snow tires/wheels are the next big puchase on my list...
~t~

[Diggy Diggy]

Are the fins a straight through design?

[Suds]

Originally Posted by Diggy Diggy

Are the fins a straight through design?

Yes, The fins through the depth of the Intercooler Core look to be straight through, not offset or staggered.

[Freon]

My general understanding is that offset or louvered fin is usually better, and that density should be adjusted instead depending on core thickness (thicker core -> lower fin density). I.e. low density offset fins would be better than medium or high density straight fins. In fact on this type of design (also Helix, etc) the top thin part should probably have higher ambient air fin density, but I doubt they bothered (side note: I also doubt the tiny top part has much total charge air flow anyway, even with the nice endtanks, air has to go around an extra corner and the cross section is a small fractio of the rest of the cooler).

Question is how much of a difference is it? I would be interested to see some before and after intake temp logs with this intercooler. I'm guessing it is still way better than stock, but lack of offset fins may mean it is trading slightly less pressure drop for slightly less cooling than other designs that do use an offset fin.