3rd Gear to 4th

11N55 · 02-17-2011, 01:04 PM

Just like the title says...has anyone else noticed when you shift out of 3rd and are about to shift into 4th the shifter pulls to the left and tries to go into 2nd? I usually shift around 2.5k rpm, it doesn't happen every time but it is quite annoying having to fight the shifter...

VALAS135i · 02-17-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 11N55

Just like the title says...has anyone else noticed when you shift out of 3rd and are about to shift into 4th the shifter pulls to the left and tries to go into 2nd? I usually shift around 2.5k rpm, it doesn't happen every time but it is quite annoying having to fight the shifter...

I have never noticed anything like that. Get a new shifter that is not so weighted.

miro2296 · 02-17-2011, 01:36 PM

I haven't had that issue. I take it you are still using stock shifter?

ESC OFF · 02-17-2011, 01:49 PM

BMW Short shift kit and no issue like that here, sounds like there's a problem with your linkage.

Focusedintntions · 02-17-2011, 02:50 PM

I've never had anything like that with my 2011...could be driver habit learned from a previous car?

Dackelone · 02-17-2011, 03:47 PM

OP - that is not normal. Either your shifter needs to be adjusted or maybe one of your motor mounts or trans mounts is bad/broken and the engine is leaning slightly to one side cauing the linkage pull. I would go have it checked out at a BMW dealer.

Dackel

11N55 · 02-17-2011, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Focusedintntions

I've never had anything like that with my 2011...could be driver habit learned from a previous car?

previous car was a AT Honda accord..

The shifter basically pulls to the left it is like I am arming wrestling it...3 to 4th is almost a straight line down so when it pulls left it is very easy to notice...

Everything is stock except for the exhaust, I thought it was strange I guess I will have to have BMW check it

Jeef Beef · 02-18-2011, 09:48 AM

Got the BMW SSK and I didn't notice this at all before or after the install. 3rd to 4th goes very smoothly, I can literally just tap it with the tips of my fingers and it'll go by itself.

Have it checked out

SpeedballTrix · 02-19-2011, 08:12 AM

Are you sure you're not doing it?
Try this: Get into the car while its off, put the shifter into third and then clutch in and just use one finger to pull the shifter out of third.
Does it move to the side?
If it does you have a problem.
If it doesnt, the next step is to try it with the drivetrain under load.
Disclaimer: This is a potentially dangerous thing to do if you are not paying attention. If you are not totally comfortable doing it, dont. If something happens I take zero responsiblity.
Pick somewhere nice and open (and empty, try this on a saturday morning or very late at night) like a large parking lot, get the car up to fourth at like 30 make sure you have nothing in front of you for a while.
Now floor the accelerator for just a second to load the drivetrain, look down at the shifter, clutch in and just pull the shifter out of gear with one finger, as you did last time.
If the shifter didnt move last time but did this time than you have a loose motor or tranny mount which is causing things to move around under load.

Unless Im racing, I always use two or three fingers to go from third to fourth: so the normal case is that the shifter should go directly down into fourth with no lateral play at all.

If you do the loaded test and see no play in the shifter then it's most likely just you're technique. Sometimes you can think you're going in a straight line, but that straight line isn't pointing down, its actually pointed at you meaning that it's diagonal to the line that you want to be straight.
Human perception is a funny thing, especially when you're making a mental spacial analysis without the use of your eyes, just relying on feedback from your muscles.
I had to get used to changing my grip going from 3rd to 4th while racing, because I always tended to pull the shifter towards me, towards second.
I would run into the bridge of the H and miss third gear.
And then the STi or the rustang would win and I would be sad =*(
Now when I shift heavy from 3-4 I actually grab the left side of the shifter to apply a little counterforce to my natural tendency to pull towards me.

Andrew@ET · 02-19-2011, 09:22 AM

2011 here and I have never felt this before get it checked out !

BuckarooVT90 · 02-19-2011, 09:51 AM

no shifter problem here

dicker · 02-19-2011, 02:17 PM

How are you holding the shifter?

never wrap your hand around it like you're about to jerk off.

For 2-3 just push forward with an open hand, for 3-4 just pull pack with your fingers, maybe wrap your fingers around the shifter from the left so you aren't pulling it left?

mblaber · 02-19-2011, 06:51 PM

Dicker:
what if you typically jerk off with two fingers? How should you hold the gearshift? Is there some kind of advanced European grip?

EINSER M · 02-19-2011, 06:58 PM

nope

1SerieStud · 02-19-2011, 08:50 PM

Nope never...2011 6mt and shifts FLAWLESSLY...in fact, the engagement of the gears is so positive that in 7 months of ownership I have yet to miss/scratch a gear!

dicker · 02-20-2011, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mblaber

Dicker:
what if you typically jerk off with two fingers? How should you hold the gearshift? Is there some kind of advanced European grip?

Two fingers to jerk it? you said it not me

Augenbrauezug · 02-20-2011, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dicker

How are you holding the shifter?

never wrap your hand around it like you're about to jerk off.

For 2-3 just push forward with an open hand, for 3-4 just pull pack with your fingers, maybe wrap your fingers around the shifter from the left so you aren't pulling it left?

+1

People say it looks like I'm slapping my shifter when I shift. I guess most people grip it to shift.

Flyer4500 · 02-20-2011, 12:25 PM

Have to agree with the stud. After 5 months I have never missed a gear. Just a positive touch and the shifter smoothly goes where it needs to be.

11N55 · 02-20-2011, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedballTrix

Are you sure you're not doing it?
Try this: Get into the car while its off, put the shifter into third and then clutch in and just use one finger to pull the shifter out of third.
Does it move to the side?
If it does you have a problem.
If it doesnt, the next step is to try it with the drivetrain under load.
Disclaimer: This is a potentially dangerous thing to do if you are not paying attention. If you are not totally comfortable doing it, dont. If something happens I take zero responsiblity.
Pick somewhere nice and open (and empty, try this on a saturday morning or very late at night) like a large parking lot, get the car up to fourth at like 30 make sure you have nothing in front of you for a while.
Now floor the accelerator for just a second to load the drivetrain, look down at the shifter, clutch in and just pull the shifter out of gear with one finger, as you did last time.
If the shifter didnt move last time but did this time than you have a loose motor or tranny mount which is causing things to move around under load.

Unless Im racing, I always use two or three fingers to go from third to fourth: so the normal case is that the shifter should go directly down into fourth with no lateral play at all.

If you do the loaded test and see no play in the shifter then it's most likely just you're technique. Sometimes you can think you're going in a straight line, but that straight line isn't pointing down, its actually pointed at you meaning that it's diagonal to the line that you want to be straight.
Human perception is a funny thing, especially when you're making a mental spacial analysis without the use of your eyes, just relying on feedback from your muscles.
I had to get used to changing my grip going from 3rd to 4th while racing, because I always tended to pull the shifter towards me, towards second.
I would run into the bridge of the H and miss third gear.
And then the STi or the rustang would win and I would be sad =*(
Now when I shift heavy from 3-4 I actually grab the left side of the shifter to apply a little counterforce to my natural tendency to pull towards me.

I tried this and the shifter seems to move up, down with no movement to the side. I swear it was pulling to the left but I guess I could have been me causing it. I will keep you guys updated if I end up taking in to the shop. Thanks for all the feedback!

1on135_deal · 02-20-2011, 02:18 PM

sup bro i test 6mt didnt seem to do it i drove it slow then hard so idk =o

135ARG · 02-22-2011, 01:49 PM

try shifting with your thumb pointing down when going from 3-4. It will make it harder to pull the stick towards you.
Got the idea from this video... works really well

Artz 330 · 02-23-2011, 01:12 AM

sounds like your pistol gripping and its not the car just your hand motion. Pistol gripping can cause a money shift esp if your in the high rpm range in 3rd gear.

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11N55 First Lieutenant 32 Rep 378 Posts Drives: AW 2011 135i 6MT Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tampa, FL iTrader: (2) Garage List 2011 BMW 135i [0.00]	3rd Gear to 4th Just like the title says...has anyone else noticed when you shift out of 3rd and are about to shift into 4th the shifter pulls to the left and tries to go into 2nd? I usually shift around 2.5k rpm, it doesn't happen every time but it is quite annoying having to fight the shifter... __________________ Order Placed: October 25 \| Production Complete: November 4 \|En Route: November 16 \| At Prep Center: December 2 \| At Dealer: December 6
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02-17-2011, 01:36 PM	#3
miro2296 Colonel 57 Rep 2,251 Posts Drives: '08 Montego Blue BMW 135i Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Round Rock, TX iTrader: (1)	I haven't had that issue. I take it you are still using stock shifter? __________________ ------------------------------------- BMW 135i/6 Speed/Montego Blue/Formula One Ceramic Tint/JB4 G4/AA Sport Intercooler/19 inch Iconz 880Z(19X8.5 & 19X10)/PSS 225/35 & 265/30/E93 M3 front sway bar/TRW front and rear Control Arms/BMS Drop In Filter/Dinan Exhaust/BlackLines/Upgraded \\\M RSFB
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02-17-2011, 01:49 PM	#4
ESC OFF Major 40 Rep 1,058 Posts Drives: 1M, CaymanS, 914, 500 Abarth Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	BMW Short shift kit and no issue like that here, sounds like there's a problem with your linkage. __________________ The faster you go, the better it feels
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02-17-2011, 02:50 PM	#5
Focusedintntions Colonel 105 Rep 2,696 Posts Drives: 2011 135i M-Sport :D Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NoVA iTrader: (1)	I've never had anything like that with my 2011...could be driver habit learned from a previous car? __________________ Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death… – Hunter Thompson
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02-17-2011, 03:47 PM	#6
Dackelone European Editor 10539 Rep 22,992 Posts Drives: N54 e82 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bayern, Germany iTrader: (1)	OP - that is not normal. Either your shifter needs to be adjusted or maybe one of your motor mounts or trans mounts is bad/broken and the engine is leaning slightly to one side cauing the linkage pull. I would go have it checked out at a BMW dealer. Dackel
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02-18-2011, 09:48 AM	#8
Jeef Beef Lord Captain Commander 110 Rep 3,093 Posts Drives: a sleeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	Got the BMW SSK and I didn't notice this at all before or after the install. 3rd to 4th goes very smoothly, I can literally just tap it with the tips of my fingers and it'll go by itself. Have it checked out __________________ E82 135i M-sport: SGM/6MT/Black
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02-19-2011, 08:12 AM	#9
SpeedballTrix Second Lieutenant 3 Rep 242 Posts Drives: 2009 135i 6MT SBM/CBL; 2022 X5 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (0)	Are you sure you're not doing it? Try this: Get into the car while its off, put the shifter into third and then clutch in and just use one finger to pull the shifter out of third. Does it move to the side? If it does you have a problem. If it doesnt, the next step is to try it with the drivetrain under load. Disclaimer: This is a potentially dangerous thing to do if you are not paying attention. If you are not totally comfortable doing it, dont. If something happens I take zero responsiblity. Pick somewhere nice and open (and empty, try this on a saturday morning or very late at night) like a large parking lot, get the car up to fourth at like 30 make sure you have nothing in front of you for a while. Now floor the accelerator for just a second to load the drivetrain, look down at the shifter, clutch in and just pull the shifter out of gear with one finger, as you did last time. If the shifter didnt move last time but did this time than you have a loose motor or tranny mount which is causing things to move around under load. Unless Im racing, I always use two or three fingers to go from third to fourth: so the normal case is that the shifter should go directly down into fourth with no lateral play at all. If you do the loaded test and see no play in the shifter then it's most likely just you're technique. Sometimes you can think you're going in a straight line, but that straight line isn't pointing down, its actually pointed at you meaning that it's diagonal to the line that you want to be straight. Human perception is a funny thing, especially when you're making a mental spacial analysis without the use of your eyes, just relying on feedback from your muscles. I had to get used to changing my grip going from 3rd to 4th while racing, because I always tended to pull the shifter towards me, towards second. I would run into the bridge of the H and miss third gear. And then the STi or the rustang would win and I would be sad =*( Now when I shift heavy from 3-4 I actually grab the left side of the shifter to apply a little counterforce to my natural tendency to pull towards me.
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02-19-2011, 09:22 AM	#10
Andrew@ET Brigadier General 181 Rep 4,038 Posts Drives: Red thing Join Date: May 2007 Location: Earth iTrader: (9)	2011 here and I have never felt this before get it checked out !
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02-19-2011, 09:51 AM	#11
BuckarooVT90 Private First Class 10 Rep 189 Posts Drives: '13 Z4 sDrive35i DCT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Virginia iTrader: (1) Garage List 2020 Z4 M40i [8.00]	no shifter problem here
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02-19-2011, 02:17 PM	#12
dicker Captain 69 Rep 847 Posts Drives: F80 6MT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (8)	How are you holding the shifter? never wrap your hand around it like you're about to jerk off. For 2-3 just push forward with an open hand, for 3-4 just pull pack with your fingers, maybe wrap your fingers around the shifter from the left so you aren't pulling it left?
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02-19-2011, 06:51 PM	#13
mblaber Enlisted Member 7 Rep 41 Posts Drives: 135i Coupe Sedona MT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	Dicker: what if you typically jerk off with two fingers? How should you hold the gearshift? Is there some kind of advanced European grip?
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02-19-2011, 06:58 PM	#14
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02-19-2011, 08:50 PM	#15
1SerieStud Brigadier General 183 Rep 3,939 Posts Drives: '11 VO 1M (498 of 740) Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Jacksonville, FL iTrader: (11)	Nope never...2011 6mt and shifts FLAWLESSLY...in fact, the engagement of the gears is so positive that in 7 months of ownership I have yet to miss/scratch a gear!
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02-20-2011, 12:25 PM	#18
Flyer4500 Enlisted Member 0 Rep 31 Posts Drives: 2011 BMW 135i M Sport Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Wall township nj iTrader: (0)	Have to agree with the stud. After 5 months I have never missed a gear. Just a positive touch and the shifter smoothly goes where it needs to be.
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02-20-2011, 02:18 PM	#20
1on135_deal First Lieutenant 18 Rep 347 Posts Drives: 2011 135i Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NY iTrader: (0)	sup bro i test 6mt didnt seem to do it i drove it slow then hard so idk =o __________________ "you blink I shift" DCT
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02-22-2011, 01:49 PM	#21
135ARG Private First Class 11 Rep 185 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW 135i Join Date: May 2009 Location: Houston iTrader: (0)	try shifting with your thumb pointing down when going from 3-4. It will make it harder to pull the stick towards you. Got the idea from this video... works really well __________________ 135i Coupe sport with: JB4, BMW Performance Exhaust, Cross Drill/Perforated front rotors, Black Kidney Grills, Carbon Mirrors, Carbon Tail, Carbon Diffuser.
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02-23-2011, 01:12 AM	#22
Artz 330 Colonel 196 Rep 2,486 Posts Drives: Z4M, 335i, 135i Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lawrenceville, NJ iTrader: (4) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	sounds like your pistol gripping and its not the car just your hand motion. Pistol gripping can cause a money shift esp if your in the high rpm range in 3rd gear. __________________
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