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[Iron Man]

Originally Posted by MteK

Who said they were forged? Do you think the price might have given that away? I simply said they are stronger then straight cast, oh and that's what the manufacturing process is called. What I'm countering is your lame assertion that the reason his wheels bent was because they were not "8000 ton forged" . Plenty of people here will tell you that Arc-8's and foregestars stand up to plenty of abuse.

Before you start making assertions about a wheel not being well made perhaps you should educate yourself, or at least provide the evidence or experience you have to back it up. But I doubt you'll do that seeing as you come across like a fan boy anyways.

And where did you get 19" from? My forgestars are 18" 8.5 et 45 and 9.5 et56. Now my 2 piece modular forged wheels are 19".

Forgestar wheels are forged wheels. They cast a blank, then flow form/rotary forge the wheel to shape. I would not group them with "cast wheels", that are cast to shape and then never forged, and should have higher strength than cast only wheels.

http://www.forgestar.com/v2/technology.php

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

You are trying to argue that Forgestars are forged wheels and you think I'm the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about?

Also, your 19" "track setup".

Oh, and I realize I don't have the "rear fogs enabled" mod, but I have done a few mods for the track, like AMS FMIC, AST Coilovers, Swift Springs, camber plates, Wavetrac LSD, M3 suspension, powerflex bushings, AFE intake, aftermarket oil cooler, Brembo GT's, stainless lines, Megan toe links, track wheels, etc.

But sadly, no badge delete

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MteK

Who said they were forged? Do you think the price might have given that away? I simply said they are stronger then straight cast, oh and that's what the manufacturing process is called. What I'm countering is your lame assertion that the reason his wheels bent was because they were not "8000 ton forged" . Plenty of people here will tell you that Arc-8's and foregestars stand up to plenty of abuse.

Before you start making assertions about a wheel not being well made perhaps you should educate yourself, or at least provide the evidence or experience you have to back it up. But I doubt you'll do that seeing as you come across like a fan boy anyways.

And where did you get 19" from? My forgestars are 18" 8.5 et 45 and 9.5 et56. Now my 2 piece modular forged wheels are 19".

Only thing I'm a fan of is quality. Neez, Volk, BBS, RAC, Champion. These are all good companies that make ultra high quality forged wheels, most of which are 8000 ton forged.

APEX makes an excellent product for the money and stands behind it. You will never find me saying anything disparaging about them. My only gripe with them is that they don't make a good 17" for the 1 series. But given the nature of market and 135i owners, I doubt they would sell many.

Some random Googling:

"Forgestar wheel failure"
https://www.google.com/search?q=forg...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"BBS wheel failure"
https://www.google.com/search?q=bbs+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"Neez wheel failure"
https://www.google.com/search?q=neez...hrome&ie=UTF-8


Just a cursory look has lots of problems with Forgestar wheels(and their customer service), some replica BBS wheels failing(no surprise there), and nothing for Neez.

It really looks like Forgestar is on the same level.

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Only thing I'm a fan of is quality. Neez, Volk, BBS, RAC, Champion. These are all good companies that make ultra high quality forged wheels, most of which are 8000 ton forged.

APEX makes an excellent product for the money and stands behind it. You will never find me saying anything disparaging about them. My only gripe with them is that they don't make a good 17" for the 1 series. But given the nature of market and 135i owners, I doubt they would sell many.

Some random Googling:

"Forgestar wheel failure"
https://www.google.com/search?q=forg...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"BBS wheel failure"
https://www.google.com/search?q=bbs+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

"Neez wheel failure"
https://www.google.com/search?q=neez...hrome&ie=UTF-8


Just a cursory look has lots of problems with Forgestar wheels(and their customer service), some replica BBS wheels failing(no surprise there), and nothing for Neez.

It really looks like Forgestar is on the same level.

What is your point? Comparing neez to Forgestar? not to mention your links make no sense as they are either knocking ADV.1 or complaining about offsets and returns.

So Gee, $8000 wheels are better then $1200 wheels? Bravo Einstein.

Bottom line, Forgestar makes good wheels for the money and they will stand up to weekend track use and daily driving. Oh, and a pothole big enough to fuck up a cast wheel will likely damage a forged wheel.

Now, if you have something better then a couple of random links to prove your point, that forgestar wheels suck, bring it on.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by MteK

Now, if you have something better then a couple of random links to prove your point, that forgestar wheels suck, bring it on.

In what way do my links make no sense? Forgestar link yields constant horror stories with people dealing with Forgestar's shady customer service, vendors dropping them from their lineup because of constant order problems they had to financially absorb, and many documented cases of catastrophic wheel failure(plus another two in this thread).

Yeah, they are $1200 wheels. That doesn't mean that they need to be complete garbage. APEX is the same price point and they have no problems I've heard of.

Next you are going to tell me how great DForce wheels are.

[uberschnell]

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

In what way do my links make no sense? Forgestar link yields constant horror stories with people dealing with Forgestar's shady customer service, vendors dropping them from their lineup because of constant order problems they had to financially absorb, and many documented cases of catastrophic wheel failure(plus another two in this thread).

Yeah, they are $1200 wheels. That doesn't mean that they need to be complete garbage. APEX is the same price point and they have no problems I've heard of.

Next you are going to tell me how great DForce wheels are.

There's no constant horror stories of catostrophic wheel failure. Yes, ordering issues, lead times and customer service, but quite the opposite in terms of quality. Here's some qoutes I found as I searched, which were far more the norm the any discussion of failure:

"Forgestars, great quality and made in the USA"

"Cant speak for AMR, but Forgestars are absolutely top quality"

"Take into consideration all of the Porsche fanatics who are placing these wheels on their $90,000 cars"

"Gomez and I have them on our track car with only track miles and they have worked flawless

I hit some debris on the freeway at 70 mph and dented the rim but still held air. I was so happy with the quality I bought 2 more sets!

Gomez even got airborne on the and hit a high curb at high speed and they are perfect"

"I had these wheels for 2 years on my track car with no issues"

Also, take into consideration how many more forgestars there are out there the ARC-8's. So your comparison based on search findings is that much weaker.

Whatever, you seem to know it all based on "Internet" research.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by MteK

What is your point? Comparing neez to Forgestar? not to mention your links make no sense as they are either knocking ADV.1 or complaining about offsets and returns.

So Gee, $8000 wheels are better then $1200 wheels? Bravo Einstein.

Bottom line, Forgestar makes good wheels for the money and they will stand up to weekend track use and daily driving. Oh, and a pothole big enough to fuck up a cast wheel will likely damage a forged wheel.

Now, if you have something better then a couple of random links to prove your point, that forgestar wheels suck, bring it on.

I've been driving on 8000 ton forged wheels on my M3 for 130,000 miles now. I live in PA, which is the state with the second worst roads in the nation, statistically. I hit massive potholes regularly. Never had a single bend or crack, and no issues with wheel finish either.

4000 track miles in there, if you think they're relevant.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by Obioban

I've been driving on 8000 ton forged wheels on my M3 for 130,000 miles now. I live in PA, which is the state with the second worst roads in the nation, statistically. I hit massive potholes regularly. Never had a single bend or crack, and no issues with wheel finish either.

4000 track miles in there, if you think they're relevant.

I'm reading this post, but I must dismiss it as internet research.

[ptack]

My only issue with Forgestar is with the finish - it didn't hold up well and they discontinued the color so the only option to fix it is powder coating all 4 wheels if I want to keep them. It's the slimey vendor who sold them to me that was the worse problem, but I think I told that story long ago. The big problem with our cars is that BMW chose such a screwball set of offsets. If they had just made them 3 series size we'd have a huge range of choices.

[loesch]

Originally Posted by Sarge135

If you get VMR's, you will have to deal with their issues on keeping stock, and long waits to get the wheels you want. They almost NEVER have what you want, then they talk you into settling for something else. Worst experience I have ever had buying wheels.

I would go the Alufegen's and go the 265 tire route.

I had no issues whatsoever ordering VMR 710s in the exact color and size I wanted. Arrived at my door in 6 days from pyspeed. Maybe it's because it was February when I ordered them.