Captain Kirk's M3 vs 1M Review

SNOOPY11 · 10-14-2011, 01:52 AM

Enjoyed the write-up! thanks!

BrokenVert · 10-14-2011, 03:19 AM

Hey nice review. Im just gonna touch on the gas mileage thing.

The N54 doesnt like to be new. It burns gas, mine burned a quart of oil, I was getting worse mileage than my dad's 302 Merc etc.

However, after the 15K service that all changed, once you get past break in the car just gets that much better.

And it keeps breaking in. Over the subsequent 10K miles to 25K the car is still getting used to itself. Your mileage will keep climbing until that point. and then it wont come down.

I routinely get north of 30 and sometimes up to 35-36 MPG in my vert on the long drives from NYC to Syracuse.

This is an example from a few years ago

Jon. · 10-14-2011, 03:53 AM

Marvel vs DC and Marvel wins

Romo · 10-14-2011, 04:25 AM

Drove E46 M3, E92 M3 and now E82 1M (and of course S1000RR)

The 1M is much more like the E46 M3, raw and unfiltered compared to the E92 M3, which is to big, (to?) smooth, filtered, but still a very good driving machine........gives a lot of confidence to........I would say the 1M is in the middle. E46 M3-1M-E92M3 (from raw till smooth)

Maybe that is the biggest difference; agility and roadfeedback in favour of the 1M...........therefore it is feels the 1M has to earn confidence.........

T1T2GRE · 10-14-2011, 06:49 AM

Well written comparo. I like your closing about Superman/Iron Man! That's classic.

m3kerry · 10-14-2011, 07:13 AM

All M3's: e36, e46, e90 are in the same class in scca autocross, STU. The e30 runs a class down in stx.

I have driven them all and the e90 was just too big and the seating was bad, IMO. The e36 is still the fastest of the 3 in street tire autocross trim.

The 1m has not been announced to run in stu, but it probably will and it will be faster once built than e36.

As for track cars, I have no idea. I would think the e90 would me the fastest out of the 5 m cars on a track.

RizOne · 10-14-2011, 08:37 AM

I have my 1M already, my M3 sedan is in production so should be here before Christmas. I ordered one of the last E90's with ZCP and 6 speed. Looking forward to doing my own comparison.

focusedsketch · 10-14-2011, 01:52 PM

"The difference between the M3 and the 1M is the difference between Superman and Iron Man respectively. Superman has a day job as mild-mannered Clark Kent with the ability to come to the rescue in the name of justice with almost invincible power. Iron Man is a raw battle machine designed and driven by a rich, womanizing, egotistical alcoholic."

+1

Groundpilot · 10-14-2011, 02:05 PM

Great review. I own an M3 E92 and a modified 135i. Of course 135i is not 1M, but i would think that the size, performance and driving dynamics between these two are very similar. And i agree with most of what OP has stated except for the last statement.
I will take an M3 straight up, thank you very much.

tkbr0wn · 10-14-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

...but i would think that the size, performance and driving dynamics between these two are very similar...

That's where you would be wrong. They are not very similar at all. I've owned a 135 in stock and modded form (coilovers, tune, brakes, etc) and now a 1M. They are completely different.

Aussie_in_London · 10-14-2011, 02:19 PM

Congrats mate.........thanks for the comparison write up.

Groundpilot · 10-14-2011, 02:24 PM

tkbrOwn, completely different? That sounds wierd to me. Can you elaborate on that if you dont mind?

Fundahl · 10-14-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

tkbrOwn, completely different? That sounds wierd to me. Can you elaborate on that if you dont mind?

I'm interested as well. I'm coming from a 2010 135i 6-speed M-Sport (N54) with JB4 and I have yet to receive my 1M.

tkbr0wn · 10-14-2011, 02:32 PM

Have you driven a 1M? The rear diff alone makes it a 'completely different' experience. That combined with the wider track and the "completely different" suspension geometry from your 135 also makes it "completely different".

b33g33 · 10-14-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

tkbrOwn, completely different? That sounds wierd to me. Can you elaborate on that if you dont mind?

I would assume the difference between a 335 and M3 would be a good place to start.

Groundpilot · 10-14-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tkbr0wn

Have you driven a 1M? The rear diff alone makes it a 'completely different' experience. That combined with the wider track and the "completely different" suspension geometry from your 135 also makes it "completely different".

No, i have not driven a 1M. But as far as i know, the main difference is open diff. vs LSD , wider track advantage 1M , stiffer control arms and rear subframe bushings for 1M. Have you driven any car on the track? I have, and my modded 135I with DCT (no LSD) beats a lot of fast cars including stock E9X M3 and stock 1M with wider track, LSD, no DCT. I am not saying that 1M is not a great car, i am sure it is, i am just saying its not ''completely different''. For your information DCT makes bigger difference on the track, not LSD.

jhall1957 · 10-14-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tkbr0wn

Have you driven a 1M? The rear diff alone makes it a 'completely different' experience. That combined with the wider track and the "completely different" suspension geometry from your 135 also makes it "completely different".

I have to agree here. I did a Euro Delivery of a 135 2 years agon and just got back from ED of 1M. VERY different indeed. I never did any mods to my 135 but I have tracked both (135 here in US, VIR and CMP and 1M in Germany at Nurburgring) and the 1M is basically 135 on a heavy dose of steriods! I can imagiine any one in there right mind doing as much work to a 135 as it would take to get it to 1M status. The suspension alone would be a major deal and how in the world do you justify the cost to widen the track?

No, saying a modded 135 is like a 1M is like saying my wifes 335 is like a M3. It's modded and fast, but don't be confused. M Division does alot more then coil overs and a tune!

jhall1957 · 10-14-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

No, i have not driven a 1M. But as far as i know, the main difference is open diff. vs LSD and wider track advantage 1M. Have you driven any car on the track? I have, and my modded 135I with DCT (no LSD) beats a lot of fast cars including stock 1M with wider track and LSD

I have alot of laps in every M3 car built (stock e30, built e30, track e36 and e46 and even a 2011 built M3 track monster) and I have a fair number of laps in my 135 and as an instructor in a built 135. I have a handful of laps in my 1M on the ring and it's different. I'm sure your 135 is a beast, but come on, you can't expect "bolt on mods" to cover the ground that M Division puts into a new model.

And as to you beating 1M's on the track, there must be a variable in there for the drivers ability. Heck, I've beaten ZO6 Vettes in my Spec E30!

tkbr0wn · 10-14-2011, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M3 09 AND135I 11

No, i have not driven a 1M. But as far as i know, the main difference is open diff. vs LSD , wider track advantage 1M , stiffer control arms and rear subframe bushings for 1M. Have you driven any car on the track? I have, and my modded 135I with DCT (no LSD) beats a lot of fast cars including stock E9X M3 and stock 1M with wider track, LSD, no DCT. I am not saying that 1M is not a great car, i am sure it is, i am just saying its not ''completely different''. For your information DCT makes bigger difference on the track, not LSD.

LOL, yes, I've driven the 135 on the track and will track the 1M soon. For you to think the 135 and the 1M would be "very similar" leads me to doubt your track cred.... .

As Jhall said, saying you "beat" other cars (most likely a DE

) doesn't mean much at all, but Im sure you knew that already right?

b33g33 · 10-14-2011, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkbr0wn

LOL, yes, I've driven the 135 on the track and will track the 1M soon. For you to think the 135 and the 1M would be "very similar" leads me to doubt your track cred.... .

As Jhall said, saying you "beat" other cars (most likely a DE

) doesn't mean much at all, but Im sure you knew that already right?

Dude, I beat all kinds of people the other day in Forza in a Pontiac Aztek. That car is almost exactly like a 1M.

four wheels, brakes etc.

pixelblue · 10-14-2011, 03:54 PM

I can put all this debate to rest. a month ago while at the track a local pro driver had a go with my modded 135. the same day he took MDORPHIN 1M around the same track. six months earlier he had competed in one lap of america in a E90 M3. the times were, 1M = 1:27.5, M3 = 1:26.5 and my 135 = 1:26.2. can't get more objective than that!

Groundpilot · 10-14-2011, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkbr0wn

LOL, yes, I've driven the 135 on the track and will track the 1M soon. For you to think the 135 and the 1M would be "very similar" leads me to doubt your track cred.... .

As Jhall said, saying you "beat" other cars (most likely a DE

) doesn't mean much at all, but Im sure you knew that already right?

I dont want to hijack this thread and would like to end this useless argument, but i will say this.
When you start tracking your 1M, and if i see you on any road coarse, i would gladly demonstrate to you the difference

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Romo Lieutenant Colonel 1759 Rep 1,668 Posts Drives: GR Yaris GT4RS Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Drove E46 M3, E92 M3 and now E82 1M (and of course S1000RR) The 1M is much more like the E46 M3, raw and unfiltered compared to the E92 M3, which is to big, (to?) smooth, filtered, but still a very good driving machine........gives a lot of confidence to........I would say the 1M is in the middle. E46 M3-1M-E92M3 (from raw till smooth) Maybe that is the biggest difference; agility and roadfeedback in favour of the 1M...........therefore it is feels the 1M has to earn confidence.........
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T1T2GRE CW2 27 Rep 440 Posts Drives: 1SMC - traded away Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Pennsylvania iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011 BMW 1M [7.33]	Well written comparo. I like your closing about Superman/Iron Man! That's classic. __________________ Good-bye, ol' Paint...
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m3kerry SCCA B Street 117 Rep 660 Posts Drives: 1 M Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dallas iTrader: (0)	All M3's: e36, e46, e90 are in the same class in scca autocross, STU. The e30 runs a class down in stx. I have driven them all and the e90 was just too big and the seating was bad, IMO. The e36 is still the fastest of the 3 in street tire autocross trim. The 1m has not been announced to run in stu, but it probably will and it will be faster once built than e36. As for track cars, I have no idea. I would think the e90 would me the fastest out of the 5 m cars on a track. __________________ www.facebook.com/thatsrightracing
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RizOne Private First Class 60 Rep 179 Posts Drives: F10 M5 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Nj iTrader: (0)	I have my 1M already, my M3 sedan is in production so should be here before Christmas. I ordered one of the last E90's with ZCP and 6 speed. Looking forward to doing my own comparison.
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focusedsketch Private First Class 10 Rep 119 Posts Drives: Join Date: May 2008 iTrader: (0)	"The difference between the M3 and the 1M is the difference between Superman and Iron Man respectively. Superman has a day job as mild-mannered Clark Kent with the ability to come to the rescue in the name of justice with almost invincible power. Iron Man is a raw battle machine designed and driven by a rich, womanizing, egotistical alcoholic." +1
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Groundpilot Banned 476 Rep 1,711 Posts Drives: 135I DCT , e92 M3 DCT, Audi A6 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: long island,ny iTrader: (0)	Great review. I own an M3 E92 and a modified 135i. Of course 135i is not 1M, but i would think that the size, performance and driving dynamics between these two are very similar. And i agree with most of what OP has stated except for the last statement. I will take an M3 straight up, thank you very much.
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Groundpilot Banned 476 Rep 1,711 Posts Drives: 135I DCT , e92 M3 DCT, Audi A6 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: long island,ny iTrader: (0)	tkbrOwn, completely different? That sounds wierd to me. Can you elaborate on that if you dont mind?
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pixelblue Colonel 140 Rep 2,234 Posts Drives: the silver bullet Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: northern virginia iTrader: (2) Garage List 2010 135i [8.90]	I can put all this debate to rest. a month ago while at the track a local pro driver had a go with my modded 135. the same day he took MDORPHIN 1M around the same track. six months earlier he had competed in one lap of america in a E90 M3. the times were, 1M = 1:27.5, M3 = 1:26.5 and my 135 = 1:26.2. can't get more objective than that! __________________ "I would quote everything pixelblue said, but you've already read it. Take it from someone who's put the 1 through its paces"
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