Transmission Mounts: Rogue Eng. vs E46 M3 and others

asbrr · 08-26-2015, 03:35 PM

All,

I've dug through the archives and seen people install either the Rogue trans mounts or the E46 M3 mounts (and some UUC etc). I've narrowed down to either Rogue or E46 M3, looking for someone that might have had experience with both?

I think user wolfe had the E46 M3 and then was looking to go to Rogue? I'm concerned with adding NVH which the E46 M3 does a little based on the reviews (in the form of some clutch chatter and whine). Where do the Rogue mounts line up in comparison, more NVH or less?

Trying to preserve the DD / smooth OE NVH characteristics as much as possible while tightening up the shift feel. Car has 73K kms on it and is a 2010, so I'm sure some improvement is to be had given the rubber aging and the soft nature of the OEM mounts.

Any feedback appreciated, thanks.

135TX · 08-26-2015, 03:58 PM

I dont have experience but read that rogue doesn't add NVH because its rubber instead of ply and doesn't have the bolt going through. I am on the fence between the two as well, but i track my car alot, and already have my diff solid mounted with a lockdown bracket on the subframe, so i dont think the NVH will be noticeably different.

FWIW i think i will go Rogue

, lol sounds funny... and I will report back once i do.

It sounds like your preference might lean you towards the E46 LMK what you do.

Thanks

asbrr · 08-26-2015, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135TX

I dont have experience but read that rogue doesn't add NVH because its rubber instead of ply and doesn't have the bolt going through. I am on the fence between the two as well, but i track my car alot, and already have my diff solid mounted with a lockdown bracket on the subframe, so i dont think the NVH will be noticeably different.

FWIW i think i will go Rogue

, lol sounds funny... and I will report back once i do.

It sounds like your preference might lean you towards the E46 LMK what you do.

Thanks

Thanks - I'm still on the fence - I drove Andrey_GTA's car and he has the M3 mounts but a lot of other mods compared to my bone stock car so was hard to really isolate what the mounts are contributing vs other things. His feedback was that it was simply some gear whine and clutch chatter added....I'm just hesitant because of bad experiences with NVH after upgrading mounts in the past on previous cars. I remember at that time everyone saying "no added vibrations!" but then I got them on and it drove me crazy! Everyone has different tolerance levels I guess....

Dackelone · 08-26-2015, 04:31 PM

I would go with the e46M3 trans mounts.

135TX · 08-26-2015, 04:33 PM

Whatever happens lets post it back up here for future 1ers!

Taskmaster · 08-26-2015, 05:00 PM

Having Rouge installed.

135TX · 08-26-2015, 05:03 PM

I just purchased the Rogue looking forward to throwing those puppies in...

aloksatoor · 08-26-2015, 06:00 PM

Have rogue, no extra NVH that I can detect. Gear shifts are solid every time, even when its cold out and I just started teh car.

PeteA · 08-26-2015, 06:27 PM

I have E46 M3 transmission bushings. Go for it. A bit more chatter on take off so just give it a few more revs on take off (1.1k+ is sufficient).

Most NVH came from the solid subframe and diff bushings that were installed.

chris82 · 08-26-2015, 06:54 PM

I have the e46m3 ones and they are right at the border for where i want them for a daily driver. I mainly got them to tighten the tranny up, but I later found out that the subframe bushings play a big part of that as well.

asbrr · 08-26-2015, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris82

I have the e46m3 ones and they are right at the border for where i want them for a daily driver. I mainly got them to tighten the tranny up, but I later found out that the subframe bushings play a big part of that as well.

Thanks Chris - these things are so subjective hence my hesitation/questions. When you say right on the border, is it more noise (chatter etc) or vibration that is close to too much?

andrey_gta · 08-26-2015, 08:27 PM

E46m3 for me added barely any NVH. I only notice it at a stop light in neutral and only with no music. Otherwise the shifts are more accurate by being tighter. I think RE should be slightly more noticeble.

Also has anyone added 335is transmission mounts? The result should be e46m3 like..

Taskmaster · 08-26-2015, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

E46m3 for me added barely any NVH. I only notice it at a stop light in neutral and only with no music. Otherwise the shifts are more accurate by being tighter. I think RE should be slightly more noticeble.

Also has anyone added 335is transmission mounts? The result should be e46m3 like..

Installing those right now too.

135TX · 08-26-2015, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

E46m3 for me added barely any NVH. I only notice it at a stop light in neutral and only with no music. Otherwise the shifts are more accurate by being tighter. I think RE should be slightly more noticeble.

Also has anyone added 335is transmission mounts? The result should be e46m3 like..

You mean 335is motor mounts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Installing those right now too.

where did you get yours from? Please review both

andrey_gta · 08-26-2015, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135TX

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrey_gta

E46m3 for me added barely any NVH. I only notice it at a stop light in neutral and only with no music. Otherwise the shifts are more accurate by being tighter. I think RE should be slightly more noticeble.

Also has anyone added 335is transmission mounts? The result should be e46m3 like..

You mean 335is motor mounts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Installing those right now too.

where did you get yours from? Please review both

I actually meant transmission mounts from 335is
I recall they too got a unique PN just like the motor mount

TheSt|G · 08-27-2015, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 135TX

You mean 335is motor mounts?

Mount. Singular.

135TX · 08-27-2015, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSt|G

Mount. Singular.

Aha!
Which one is the upgraded/updated one on the 335is- left or right? And it works fine with N54, N55 & N52?

Taskmaster · 08-27-2015, 11:58 AM

Passenger side.

TheSt|G · 08-27-2015, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAxiom

Passenger side.

Yup, what this man said.

chris82 · 08-27-2015, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asbrr

Thanks Chris - these things are so subjective hence my hesitation/questions. When you say right on the border, is it more noise (chatter etc) or vibration that is close to too much?

Just road noise in general went up a little. My brother noticed it too, and at the time I had no suspension mods nor did I change anything else. Now that I have race CPs and poly rear mounts I doubt I could hear the difference between these and stock

MightyMouseTech · 08-27-2015, 02:10 PM

Just try the M3 version, they are cheap, easy to get and take 15 mins to install.

If you don't like them, take them out and toss them in the trash.

andrey_gta · 08-27-2015, 02:29 PM

@asbrr if you really dislike RE alot, I can take them off you. We can work something out. These bushes take 20 min to change on a lift

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asbrr Major 545 Rep 1,233 Posts Drives: 2014 335ix M-Sport Join Date: May 2015 Location: Toronto iTrader: (1)	Transmission Mounts: Rogue Eng. vs E46 M3 and others All, I've dug through the archives and seen people install either the Rogue trans mounts or the E46 M3 mounts (and some UUC etc). I've narrowed down to either Rogue or E46 M3, looking for someone that might have had experience with both? I think user wolfe had the E46 M3 and then was looking to go to Rogue? I'm concerned with adding NVH which the E46 M3 does a little based on the reviews (in the form of some clutch chatter and whine). Where do the Rogue mounts line up in comparison, more NVH or less? Trying to preserve the DD / smooth OE NVH characteristics as much as possible while tightening up the shift feel. Car has 73K kms on it and is a 2010, so I'm sure some improvement is to be had given the rubber aging and the soft nature of the OEM mounts. Any feedback appreciated, thanks.
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aloksatoor Second Lieutenant 21 Rep 232 Posts Drives: Carrera S PDK Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Walnut Creek, CA iTrader: (0)	Have rogue, no extra NVH that I can detect. Gear shifts are solid every time, even when its cold out and I just started teh car.
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PeteA Major 127 Rep 1,054 Posts Drives: E30, E82 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (3)	I have E46 M3 transmission bushings. Go for it. A bit more chatter on take off so just give it a few more revs on take off (1.1k+ is sufficient). Most NVH came from the solid subframe and diff bushings that were installed.
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andrey_gta Brigadier General 300 Rep 4,040 Posts Drives: 130i coupé ;) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Bimmerpost iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 128i [10.00]	E46m3 for me added barely any NVH. I only notice it at a stop light in neutral and only with no music. Otherwise the shifts are more accurate by being tighter. I think RE should be slightly more noticeble. Also has anyone added 335is transmission mounts? The result should be e46m3 like.. __________________ 128i Sport 6MT converted to Euro 130i spec, 3.73 diff, tuned by evolve ~220 whp 207 wtq(ft-lb) SAE In-progress: //M front arm, M3 rack, e36M lip Wishlist: Coils, n55 mnts, headers, LSD, e60 finn diff "The 1-series is the last car that BMW engineered before the Germans, as a car-making culture, fell out of love with driving." - R&T 2013 135is Last edited by andrey_gta; 08-26-2015 at 08:35 PM..
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andrey_gta Brigadier General 300 Rep 4,040 Posts Drives: 130i coupé ;) Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Bimmerpost iTrader: (1) Garage List 2008 BMW 128i [10.00]	@asbrr if you really dislike RE alot, I can take them off you. We can work something out. These bushes take 20 min to change on a lift __________________ 128i Sport 6MT converted to Euro 130i spec, 3.73 diff, tuned by evolve ~220 whp 207 wtq(ft-lb) SAE In-progress: //M front arm, M3 rack, e36M lip Wishlist: Coils, n55 mnts, headers, LSD, e60 finn diff "The 1-series is the last car that BMW engineered before the Germans, as a car-making culture, fell out of love with driving." - R&T 2013 135is
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