Rain and ZSP....

zdognaylor · 11-30-2005, 08:36 AM

Rain and ZSP do not mix! We had rain last night and I was scared shitless. The car was hydroplaning and felt all over the road. I don't think I ever want to drive my car in the rain ever again.

tiga901 · 11-30-2005, 08:43 AM

As someone has advised drivers with ZSP before in this forum, when it rains, drive like a granny. I have ZSP and I have the same experience. The other night, it was raining here in the Bay Area my highest speed was only 55-60 mph when normally I would be driving in the 80-90 mph range.

underDAWG · 11-30-2005, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by zdognaylor

Rain and ZSP do not mix! We had rain last night and I was scared shitless. The car was hydroplaning and felt all over the road. I don't think I ever want to drive my car in the rain ever again.

Hmmm.... this is not good for us the east coast drivers. BTW, do have have a 330i or 325i?

zdognaylor · 11-30-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by underDAWG

Hmmm.... this is not good for us the east coast drivers. BTW, do have have a 330i or 325i?

325 w/ZSP

Mikey3 · 11-30-2005, 09:11 AM

wow.. hydroplaning... thats gotta be scary. just drive like a granny as tiga901 suggest

triton. · 11-30-2005, 09:17 AM

I have the 330 w/ZSP and I think the car runs great in the rain. I'm on the east coast and have driven through some down poors inthe past 2 months. Car handles great at 80 mph.

zdognaylor · 11-30-2005, 09:19 AM

I was not very confident at all maybe it was the tires .I have the Pirellis. I don't know but it sucked.

shimshimhada · 11-30-2005, 09:19 AM

Get some Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s

ward · 11-30-2005, 09:32 AM

I think the stock "high performance" tires do OK in the wet,

I'd had no hydroplaning at freeway speeds yet
(other cars with summer tires I couldn't drive much over 70 without starting to lighten the steering)

They're OK tires, but dont' have much wet grip,
hell they don't even have that much dry grip

Broken1 · 11-30-2005, 11:32 AM

It's the tires, not the car. You actually should drive any car like a granny when it's raining. A simple look at the number of accidents in the rain - and a day on the skid pan will change your perspective completely.

Nikki · 11-30-2005, 11:35 AM

It's just the tires that come standard on the 325i ZSP. The 330i ZSP is perfect in the rain.

325i ZSP
Wet Traction: 7.0
Hydro Resistance: 6.8

330i ZSP
Wet Traction: 8.5
Hydro Resistance: 8.0

E90Fleet · 11-30-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki

It's just the tires that come standard on the 325i ZSP. The 330i ZSP is perfect in the rain.

325i ZSP
Wet Traction: 7.0
Hydro Resistance: 6.8

330i ZSP
Wet Traction: 8.5
Hydro Resistance: 8.0

What makes and sizes are those for ?

Nikki · 11-30-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by E90Fleet

What makes and sizes are those for ?

www.tirerack.com
view oe tires for 325i Sport package: Pirelli eufori@
view oe tires for 330i Sport package: Bridgestone Potenza RE050A

puck724 · 11-30-2005, 11:53 AM

i swear if nikki and e90fleet have kids...that kid will be like a bmw god.

anyway...i ahve the 330 w/o sport and it did all right in the rain a few weeks back. i wasnt spirited, but i also wasnt grannying it either...

Speedy E90 · 11-30-2005, 12:14 PM

I have the sport package and have gotten quite used to the rain performance. One needs to pay attention when turning and accelerating at the same time, since the end of the car will come around rather quick. But once one knows their car it can be very fun at the same time. With all electronic aids enabled I think the dangers are minimal but an experienced BMW driver at least.....

Xens · 11-30-2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by puck724

i swear if nikki and e90fleet have kids...that kid will be like a bmw god.

Sho · 11-30-2005, 12:23 PM

i have ZSP on my 325i, and it drives great in rain. Seattle was rainning so hard in last week, and the car felt very nice in rain. Could it be the driver? :-)

underDAWG · 11-30-2005, 12:24 PM

Triton,

Before you buy another set of tires, make sure your tires are not over inflated. HTH.

txusa03 · 11-30-2005, 12:27 PM

It is not the car, it is the massive wide ass tire on the sport package. I am going to do my best to explain to you why I think it is the massive wide ass tire of the sport package that is not very water friendly. Take a toyota corrolla with thin tires and the car has a high clearance. Now take your sport package bmw with the wider tires and it also has a lower clearance. A thin tire will cut through water (almost like butter). A wide ass tire will not be able to cut through water that good, it surface area is too wide so it takes longer to channel the water from the tire suface so you have a better chance of hydrop. Plus your car is also low so the water does not have alot of room to escape so more water is built up under the low car. For a toyota corrolla, the tire is slim so it take less effort to dispurse the water from the slim surface. The corrolla is also high so more room under the car for water to escape. Sorry for the long post and I am not a engineer or anything. Just thank about my logic. Becareful when it wet...

Frank_NJ · 11-30-2005, 12:29 PM

I am in the Northeast and have had no issues in the rain with my car.

northerncalguy · 11-30-2005, 12:49 PM

No hydroplaning yet, but I did experience a controlled drift during a hard left turn. I felt stability/traction control kick in ... but it was kinda scary.

I am trying to go easy on the acceleration in 1st and 2nd with the wet Bay Area weather coming around.

carl_d · 11-30-2005, 01:05 PM

Works fine in Engalnd and we get rain (big time).

Check your tyre pressures - I've noticed runflats struggle when under inflated in the rain!

I also find the Bridgestone tyres are better in rain and ice.

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zdognaylor Private First Class 25 Rep 165 Posts Drives: 325i electric red Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: VA iTrader: (0)	Rain and ZSP.... Rain and ZSP do not mix! We had rain last night and I was scared shitless. The car was hydroplaning and felt all over the road. I don't think I ever want to drive my car in the rain ever again. __________________ This one time at band camp...........
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tiga901 Second Lieutenant 7 Rep 244 Posts Drives: e90 330i, mt pp sp Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Millbrae, CA iTrader: (0)	As someone has advised drivers with ZSP before in this forum, when it rains, drive like a granny. I have ZSP and I have the same experience. The other night, it was raining here in the Bay Area my highest speed was only 55-60 mph when normally I would be driving in the 80-90 mph range.
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Mikey3 Private First Class 10 Rep 133 Posts Drives: e90..... soon.... Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Australia - Perth iTrader: (0)	wow.. hydroplaning... thats gotta be scary. just drive like a granny as tiga901 suggest __________________ Tell me what you eat And I will tell you what you are.
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zdognaylor Private First Class 25 Rep 165 Posts Drives: 325i electric red Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: VA iTrader: (0)	I was not very confident at all maybe it was the tires .I have the Pirellis. I don't know but it sucked. __________________ This one time at band camp...........
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ward Major General 155 Rep 6,158 Posts Drives: F Join Date: May 2005 Location: T iTrader: (0)	I think the stock "high performance" tires do OK in the wet, I'd had no hydroplaning at freeway speeds yet (other cars with summer tires I couldn't drive much over 70 without starting to lighten the steering) They're OK tires, but dont' have much wet grip, hell they don't even have that much dry grip
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Broken1 Addict 203 Rep 2,074 Posts Drives: 2024 X5 40i M-Sport Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0)	It's the tires, not the car. You actually should drive any car like a granny when it's raining. A simple look at the number of accidents in the rain - and a day on the skid pan will change your perspective completely.
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Nikki Major General 990 Rep 6,381 Posts Drives: Sepang Z4MC Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: LA iTrader: (9)	It's just the tires that come standard on the 325i ZSP. The 330i ZSP is perfect in the rain. 325i ZSP Wet Traction: 7.0 Hydro Resistance: 6.8 330i ZSP Wet Traction: 8.5 Hydro Resistance: 8.0 __________________ Nikki
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puck724 COLTS 4 LIFE!!! 99 Rep 1,746 Posts Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: california iTrader: (1) Garage List 2006 330i [0.00]	i swear if nikki and e90fleet have kids...that kid will be like a bmw god. anyway...i ahve the 330 w/o sport and it did all right in the rain a few weeks back. i wasnt spirited, but i also wasnt grannying it either... __________________ 2006 330i --sapphire black--black leather --alumminum trim --premium package --cold weather package --park distace control --automatic transmission --navigation with iDrive
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Sho Lieutenant 35 Rep 574 Posts Drives: E90 325i 6-speed Join Date: May 2005 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	i have ZSP on my 325i, and it drives great in rain. Seattle was rainning so hard in last week, and the car felt very nice in rain. Could it be the driver? :-)
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underDAWG Second Lieutenant 30 Rep 278 Posts Drives: E30 on Stands Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: First State iTrader: (0)	Triton, Before you buy another set of tires, make sure your tires are not over inflated. HTH.
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txusa03 Major General 548 Rep 6,563 Posts Drives: TS330iPPSP6MT Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Planet Earth iTrader: (3)	It is not the car, it is the massive wide ass tire on the sport package. I am going to do my best to explain to you why I think it is the massive wide ass tire of the sport package that is not very water friendly. Take a toyota corrolla with thin tires and the car has a high clearance. Now take your sport package bmw with the wider tires and it also has a lower clearance. A thin tire will cut through water (almost like butter). A wide ass tire will not be able to cut through water that good, it surface area is too wide so it takes longer to channel the water from the tire suface so you have a better chance of hydrop. Plus your car is also low so the water does not have alot of room to escape so more water is built up under the low car. For a toyota corrolla, the tire is slim so it take less effort to dispurse the water from the slim surface. The corrolla is also high so more room under the car for water to escape. Sorry for the long post and I am not a engineer or anything. Just thank about my logic. Becareful when it wet...
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carl_d General 38 Rep 683 Posts Drives: E90 335i M-Sport N55 6SP Nov10 Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Works fine in Engalnd and we get rain (big time). Check your tyre pressures - I've noticed runflats struggle when under inflated in the rain! I also find the Bridgestone tyres are better in rain and ice.
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