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01-07-2013, 03:43 PM | #23 |
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The performance of the 1 series overall portends, to me at least, that BMW are transferring the mantle and market once the province of the M3/3 series to the 1 series. I say this because I feel the current direction for the 3er is placing it more in the realm the 5er used to command.
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01-07-2013, 03:47 PM | #24 |
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On the Ring I agree with that totally, means close to nothing. But on Hockenheim Short a 1.6 seconds is much more significant and 1M lap times vs M135i on other tracks (check the fastest laps for a few) all show that there is a clear difference between these cars on track despite not so huge. So, natural question is what happened on the Ring? The only meaningful explanation is M135i lap time is a good time, it fits and makes sense but 1M lap time is simply not, should be and can be better and closer to E92 M3 like on every other track (again check various tracks for lap times) where 1M is right behind or a bit ahead of the M3, usually a bit behind DCT cars and a bit ahead of manual M3s. Ring time for the 1M doesn't make sense to me and confuses everyone since it usually contradicts with other data while people tend to take it as the "reference".
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01-07-2013, 03:51 PM | #25 |
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Very impressive for the M135i, especially given it's lack of a LSD. I love the 1M, and I think it's great to see that BMW is still producing more widely available and attainable cars that still perform well.
They've been getting a lot of crap in most forums and in the press, some very deservedly so, but it's good to see another driver's car in the way of the M135i. Now only if it didn't have those nasty headlights... |
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01-07-2013, 03:58 PM | #26 |
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This excites me for the M2. And if they make a convertible version - even moreso.
I'm sure this would be a much more affordable option than getting an F33 335i. Even more so if you compare an F33 M4, which has much more power and command even more premium. |
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01-07-2013, 04:34 PM | #27 |
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Impressive comparison, I didn't know the M135i was shorter overall than the 1M but has a longer wheelbase than the 1M. Now bring the M135i to the states!
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agreed... But BMW has been so VERRY reluctant to do so...... and forsaken many BMW enthusiasts in the meantime. Quote:
Agree 100% the good thing is that lighter, less expensive performance cars are finally coming to market.. and the generation two 1 series headlights are nowhere near as bad as pundits make them sound, **when seen in person ** |
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01-07-2013, 06:48 PM | #30 |
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- 0-60 km/h (0-37mph): 2.4s for the 1M (this Sport Auto test)
- 0-100 km/h (0-62mph): 4.7s for the 1M (this Sport Auto test) (4.9s being the official figure quoted by BMW). October 2010, when some journalists had driven the 1M test mule: "BMW claims that this 3308-pound machine will sprint from 0 to 62 mph in 4.3 seconds. Top speed will be governed to 155 mph [250 km/h], but there will be an option to raise Vmax to 168 mph, [270 km/h] as with other M cars." Later, BMW seems to have muzzled 1M performance information in official figures releases (no trespassing on the M3 territory: "BMW engineers and execs have been quoted several times saying things like «it won't step on the M3's toes»") (source: http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthr...ne-Impressions). Back in those days, they also indicated that a CF roof would be optional - but that didn't make it to the final version too. Here's what Belgian forum fellow M3Power79 registered with his stock 1M and stock tires (PS2) during a session of 0-62mph runs (MDM Mode activated) last Spring: - 0-60 km/h (0-37mph): 1.8s - 0-100 km/h (0-62mph): 4.4s (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...99&postcount=1) Getting sub 4s for the 0-100 km/h is possible with a tune (3.91s was already clocked with a JB4 tune). (http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=38) 1M: Cw value of 0.35 in the wind tunnel + rear uplift of 37 kg at 200km/h. For your well-being you don't want to know the rear uplift figure when the 1M is driving at top speed. From hindsight, actually not unreasonably of BMW to have shelved the plan to make the option available to raise Vmax to 168 mph (270 km/h) real top speed. As a matter of fact, driving the 1M at >220 km/h on a German Autobahn gets you the uncomfortable feeling that things turn rather 'fishy', especially when it's windy. At such high velocity, you hesitate staying around in the 220+ km/h zone as the 1M simply does not feel as rock solid running on rails as an M3 or an M5. It may be subjective but the Cw and rear uplift figures seem to confirm what your mind experiences.
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Interesting results, but flawed nevertheless. Why? Simple fact that those two times were done a year apart. Different weather, difference in track surfaces.
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Will someone put the two together same day same driver and test the farkers please. |
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It is not a comparo, it is the separate data put together, I have the 1M super test with me from more than a year ago, these were separate super tests of Sport Auto. On the other hand, the temperature was surprisingly similar and they were driven by the same driver. Still, yes not a real comparo and I hope someone one day puts a pristine stock 1M (preferably wearing PSS shoes in stock sizes) against a M135i (maybe a manual, why not?) on a real track and road test with real data collecting. The results won't be totally different for sure but will be more coherent.
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The 3.91s isn't credible as P3 is measuring wheel spin and not actual vehicle speed.
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no doubt both cars are great cars.
the M135i shows a positive direction of the BMW desires to create: basically pulling the common cars toward a sportier trait without having that exclusivity of the Ms... A compromise of both world... The 1M is at this point a living legend ! It will be beaten by better cars and more efficient... but definitely it deserve to hold a special place along side the E30 M3 ! I just can't wait to see which would be the forth car to go up into that Wall of fame and replace the 1M! (The third legendary car i would consider to be along the E30 M3 would be the E39 M5 !)
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@ ozinaldo, remember we talked about the 37kg uplift @ 200kmh? The E9x M3 felt more stable at speeds > 200kmh I read a lot, though I come from a E90 M3 myself which has a longer wheelbase which benefits a lot and/but find the 1M pretty stable @ + 240kmh. My guess is Horst @ NS was a tad scared with the swb 1M in longer faster turns and when feeling the rear kicking out, he'd back off a bit. I just don't see the E9x M3 winning 10 seconds on the Dottinger Höhe straight alone. The OEM 1M is just more than a handful on the fast NS compared to the longer wheelbased E9x M3. My mate André did BTG 7:45 with a stock 1M plus passenger in TF traffic. Which means est. 8:07 if I understand correctly. Anyway I 'm so bloody amazed by my (still) oem 1M . The best car I ever had. Not by fuel consumption, comfort, (luggage) space etc offcourse EDIT: Horst gave the Supertested M135i 63 points in total. The RS3 got 60 points. The Cayman S 64 points and last but not least, au contraire: the 1M got 68 points. Cheers Robin Last edited by Robin_NL; 01-08-2013 at 03:20 AM.. Reason: added info |
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Robin, that's because Andre knows how to catch the tail of a car as good as anyone on this planet! My favourite is his wet GT3 driving video.
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1M is not as easy to take to limit as the M3 or M135i, that's for sure. They are easier to go fast.
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Welcome to 1M history, it is all about underrating and covering, since its days of engineering. For me, just makes the ownership all the sweeter
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