Invoice, etc.

jzcrna · 01-04-2012, 08:57 AM

Hey folks:

I am a former owner of a 2009 535i and a 2008 335i. Presently, Im driving a 2012 Acura TL Advance, which I like but really miss my BMWs.

I was seriously considering trading the TL in for a CPO 550i or a new 328i. However, I would love to keep the TL and purchase a less expensive car. With that said. It seems that the 135i would be my perfect automobile given its weight, power, agility and price. The family will still have the TL and a very old paid for MDX.

What kind of pricing have you been able to get on the 2012 135i (How close to invoice?) I love the mid cycle refresh, but could probably even get a 2011 135i with the sport auto transmission. Looking to purchase my BMW for my 40th birthday at the end of the summer or early fall.

thanks for the input!

KingOfJericho · 01-04-2012, 09:01 AM

$500 to $1,000 over has been standard. With some rebates, you could very well end up below.

ejm3 · 01-04-2012, 09:39 AM

What about a 2011 leftover?

KingOfJericho · 01-04-2012, 10:08 AM

You'll be hard pressed to find a 135i leftover. Most cars are special ordered and spoken for upon arrival. A 328xi? No problem - but a 135i has a narrow customer base and is unlikely to be found burning up space at a dealer.

ken1137 · 01-04-2012, 10:55 AM

Yep, I agree...maybe a bit over invoice. You'll love the 135 since it sounds like you are looking for a fun car to drive. The 328 would have to be Sports Package plus MT to be a little fun at all, but no where near the 135. We have similar taste in cars (former TSX, TL, and 328 owner, but the wife has the MDX). I dont think you'll find another car similar to the 135 (class) as far as driving satisfaction other than the Porsche Cayman. Good luck

jzcrna · 01-04-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ken1137

Yep, I agree...maybe a bit over invoice. You'll love the 135 since it sounds like you are looking for a fun car to drive. The 328 would have to be Sports Package plus MT to be a little fun at all, but no where near the 135. We have similar taste in cars (former TSX, TL, and 328 owner, but the wife has the MDX). I dont think you'll find another car similar to the 135 (class) as far as driving satisfaction other than the Porsche Cayman. Good luck

Thanks guys. The new 328i is getting great reviews with the I4, but I have been very excited since they came out with the N55. This engine is tested and true. My guess is that all of the bugs are also worked out of the 135 at this point in its life. This car would be a daily driver and contrary to popular belief I think that a daily driver should be top of the line as far as sport and comfort. Many people look at their daily drivers as throw away cars, not me. Especially since I drive 30 miles each way to and from work.

Ken, have you driven the newer TL? It really is a pretty phenomenal car and it is a shame that people are overlooking it, because of the dramatic styling. The 2012 refresh also smoothed out the edges. This is why I do not want to give this car up. Highly reliable, relatively fast and loaded with gadgetry.

Thanks for the help.

KingOfJericho · 01-04-2012, 11:36 AM

The two cars couldn't be more different. High HP and FWD just don't mix well. I'll give you reliability though. Acura is very dependable but I don't know what they were thinking when they designed that TL. Looks like a techno space whale (opinion). I adore my 135i and am having a tough time figuring out what to do at the end of my lease next Sept (CPO RS4 is high in the running).

jzcrna · 01-04-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

The two cars couldn't be more different. High HP and FWD just don't mix well. I'll give you reliability though. Acura is very dependable but I don't know what they were thinking when they designed that TL. Looks like a techno space whale (opinion). I adore my 135i and am having a tough time figuring out what to do at the end of my lease next Sept (CPO RS4 is high in the running).

Don't get me wrong. I was not trying to say that my TL was anything like a 135i. I was just making a broad generalization that people who like Acura should consider the TL. Not necessarily people who are shopping for any BMW for that matter. Well, maybe except for a 528i

Sorry for the confusion.

RS4 rocks! Also note that the new F30 335i M-sport will be available in July. It looks awesome.

ken1137 · 01-04-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jzcrna

Ken, have you driven the newer TL? It really is a pretty phenomenal car and it is a shame that people are overlooking it, because of the dramatic styling. The 2012 refresh also smoothed out the edges. This is why I do not want to give this car up. Highly reliable, relatively fast and loaded with gadgetry.

No, I have not driven the new TL. I got rid of my TL and changed to the TSX for better gas mileage

Mistake, the TL when new was loaded but the drive was a bit boring. I know the new TL makes up for that with AWD and 300 hp, but is rather fugly and the designer should be fired. My next car(s) will be an M3 or M5. What can I say (?) I am a BMW enthusiast and at the moment I love my 135i

ejm3 · 01-04-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

You'll be hard pressed to find a 135i leftover. Most cars are special ordered and spoken for upon arrival. A 328xi? No problem - but a 135i has a narrow customer base and is unlikely to be found burning up space at a dealer.

No, there is a specific 2011 leftover that I'm looking at. IMO its a year and a half old already and I should be able to negotiate a decent deal. Others here in the office disagree.

As an aside, I bought my Acura TL 6MT new in 2004 and its been a great car.

singular · 01-04-2012, 12:38 PM

I negotiated $500 over invoice for a custom order, but then paid for it with a two-free-payments loan incentive that I paid off after only about nine months. Factoring in interest, my deal came to about $500 below invoice.

I read somewhere that BMW is offering this same deal again, so you might want to check it out.

KingOfJericho · 01-04-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ejm3

No, there is a specific 2011 leftover that I'm looking at. IMO its a year and a half old already and I should be able to negotiate a decent deal. Others here in the office disagree.

As an aside, I bought my Acura TL 6MT new in 2004 and its been a great car.

My bad, I thought you were telling the OP to look for a leftover. I would say you should be at, to $1,500 below, invoice on a 2011 leftover. It is rare to find a 135i on the lot collecting dust so you've got a unique scenario there.

cooler2442 · 01-04-2012, 01:10 PM

Shows 300$ over invoice for a 2012 here in SoCal.

http://www.truecar.com/prices-new/bm...2012/D15E1C90/

Might be different in your area though.

Section147 · 01-04-2012, 02:52 PM

In the NE Ohio area, the dealers are all pretty much locked at $500 over
invoice. With the $500 cash back offer (that ended yesterday, I believe),
it meant that you could purchase/order a 1er fairly close to "invoice".

2012_135i · 01-04-2012, 02:57 PM

I've heard of folks getting good deals not far from invoice on the mainland where there are more choices, but that ain't happening out here on Oahu where there's only one BMW dealer. Out here it's straight MSRP unless you've arranged favors for the sales manager at La Femme Saigon off Keeaumoku St. But at least they don't hammer you for additional money over MSRP euphemistically referred to as "Market Adjustment Value" like other dealerships do. Still, my deal wasn't so bad. I got $2,000 off MSRP from combined rebates and credits and trading in my old Dodge Neon, which basically covered my sales tax (4.72% out here).

I used to order cars from a dealership in Oregon where there is no sales tax and then pay about $850 to have it shipped here. That way I could negotiate a car at or under invoice then just pay $850 on top of that. Hawaii general excise tax is supposed to be paid on it when its brought in as a new car but before the HI dept of taxation wised up you could get away without paying it because it was a self reporting system. Now when you bring in a new car, in order to register it you have to have a form signed off by the dept of taxation as a receipt that you've paid your general excise tax. So no savings there, and it's now costing upwards of $1,100 to ship a car here so anyone wanting to buy a car out here where there's only one dealership has very little leverage.

bdoooh · 01-05-2012, 07:17 PM

I just ordered mine and got it $300 above invoice in NE Ohio.

2012_135i · 01-05-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bdoooh

I just ordered mine and got it $300 above invoice in NE Ohio.

You guys reeaaally piss me off.

crbalch · 01-06-2012, 09:48 AM

I just took delivery of mine but I negotiated to this:
2012 AW BMW 135i
Black Leatherette
AW Trim
M Sport Package

MSRP: $39,150
Invoice: $38,485
Sale: $38,775
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Total: $37,875 (after a $1000 sign and drive certificate)

I also traded my car in so I saved another $500 or so on tax

jzcrna · 01-06-2012, 12:37 PM

Thanks everyone! At least I know that I can get close to or even below invoice toward the end of the year.

///Machiavelli · 01-06-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jzcrna

Thanks everyone! At least I know that I can get close to or even below invoice toward the end of the year.

The E82 135i is EOP in June so I wouldn't necessarily wait until end of calendar year 2012 to go looking for one

jzcrna · 01-06-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by machiavelli9988

The E82 135i is EOP in June so I wouldn't necessarily wait until end of calendar year 2012 to go looking for one

oh, I thought that 2012 was the LCI. Didn't they just change the body and tailights? Don't they usually do that with the LCIs?

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KingOfJericho Major General 2452 Rep 7,341 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [5.26]	$500 to $1,000 over has been standard. With some rebates, you could very well end up below. __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude Hemi \| 2010 S4 Sold \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Sold
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KingOfJericho Major General 2452 Rep 7,341 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [5.26]	The two cars couldn't be more different. High HP and FWD just don't mix well. I'll give you reliability though. Acura is very dependable but I don't know what they were thinking when they designed that TL. Looks like a techno space whale (opinion). I adore my 135i and am having a tough time figuring out what to do at the end of my lease next Sept (CPO RS4 is high in the running). __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude Hemi \| 2010 S4 Sold \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Sold
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singular Captain 20 Rep 935 Posts Drives: BSM 135i ppk cab Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (0)	I negotiated $500 over invoice for a custom order, but then paid for it with a two-free-payments loan incentive that I paid off after only about nine months. Factoring in interest, my deal came to about $500 below invoice. I read somewhere that BMW is offering this same deal again, so you might want to check it out.
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2012_135i Lieutenant 36 Rep 469 Posts Drives: 2012 135i, 6MT, M-Sport Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii iTrader: (0)	I've heard of folks getting good deals not far from invoice on the mainland where there are more choices, but that ain't happening out here on Oahu where there's only one BMW dealer. Out here it's straight MSRP unless you've arranged favors for the sales manager at La Femme Saigon off Keeaumoku St. But at least they don't hammer you for additional money over MSRP euphemistically referred to as "Market Adjustment Value" like other dealerships do. Still, my deal wasn't so bad. I got $2,000 off MSRP from combined rebates and credits and trading in my old Dodge Neon, which basically covered my sales tax (4.72% out here). I used to order cars from a dealership in Oregon where there is no sales tax and then pay about $850 to have it shipped here. That way I could negotiate a car at or under invoice then just pay $850 on top of that. Hawaii general excise tax is supposed to be paid on it when its brought in as a new car but before the HI dept of taxation wised up you could get away without paying it because it was a self reporting system. Now when you bring in a new car, in order to register it you have to have a form signed off by the dept of taxation as a receipt that you've paid your general excise tax. So no savings there, and it's now costing upwards of $1,100 to ship a car here so anyone wanting to buy a car out here where there's only one dealership has very little leverage.
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jzcrna Captain 167 Rep 975 Posts Drives: 2019 M2 Competition Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NC iTrader: (0)	Thanks everyone! At least I know that I can get close to or even below invoice toward the end of the year.
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