Amazed how many 1M's for sale

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Gangplank

Was sorta thinking the same thing about the m235. 1M def more maint cost but not wildly so. . :huh

I think that if the 1M costs more to maintain than a 135i, it will mostly be a function of how the particular owner used or drove it, since it is probably more likely to attract someone who will push it hard, than, say, a routine 135i.

The 135i is more of what I would call a "typical BMW," that is before BMW first cheapened the brand by churning out pseudo luxury cars in massive numbers, putting M badges everywhere on cars that shouldn't have them, and began to then finally succeeded at making cars that drive like a sofa looking for an upholstery shop.

Aside from the massive power boost, the 135i reminds me, a lot, of my red 5MT 1992 325i, bought new, and at the time not even considered to be a luxury car (although it did have leather seats). If BMW still routinely made manual transmission vehicles of the same size as my old 325i, that drove like that 325i, I would never have bothered to amass my little collection of cars which I only did because I know it is now OVER.

[Gangplank]

I agree. (And what I meant above) is that the 135 is the last true drivers car.

The 1M sounds fantastic buts not financially possible right now. I'm hoping at some point but we'll see.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Gangplank

I agree. (And what I meant above) is that the 135 is the last true drivers car.

The 1M sounds fantastic buts not financially possible right now. I'm hoping at some point but we'll see.

The 1M is a great car, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over having to "settle" for a 135i. I expect to put a lot more miles on my 135i coupe than on my 1M. For longer drives, the 135i is actually a more comfortable car to be in.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by xtianrecords

the m235 seems to be a better choice nowadays

lol. YOU WOT!?

[swagon]

By the way, there are more 1 M's for sale in Europe than LCI E82 135i's!

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by champignon

I think that if the 1M costs more to maintain than a 135i, it will mostly be a function of how the particular owner used or drove it, since it is probably more likely to attract someone who will push it hard, than, say, a routine 135i.

The 135i is more of what I would call a "typical BMW," that is before BMW first cheapened the brand by churning out pseudo luxury cars in massive numbers, putting M badges everywhere on cars that shouldn't have them, and began to then finally succeeded at making cars that drive like a sofa looking for an upholstery shop.

Aside from the massive power boost, the 135i reminds me, a lot, of my red 5MT 1992 325i, bought new, and at the time not even considered to be a luxury car (although it did have leather seats). If BMW still routinely made manual transmission vehicles of the same size as my old 325i, that drove like that 325i, I would never have bothered to amass my little collection of cars which I only did because I know it is now OVER.

the great thing about the 1M not having a bespoke 'S' engine is that it doesn't require silly 30k mile valve jobs and adjustments...just get in it and go.

76k miles on my 1M and it's been super reliable. Just stay aggressive on fluid changes and it's all pretty glorious pretty easily.

Agreed no silly money to maintain a 1M. The rear diff requires some extra fluid changes and a bit more aggressive all around but no big deal IMO.

Fwiw my 135is had just as many M badges as my 1M...lol

[ejm3]

Originally Posted by roundel335

The M2 was just announced for Spring 2016 delivery. Probably going to be more 1Ms for sale once they start arriving.

This.

[Gangplank]

Originally Posted by ejm3

This.

I guess it depends on how many they make. If they make 10,000 vs. less than 1,000 1M

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by ejm3

This.

nah. they said the same thing when the M4 was coming out....and it had NO impact on 1M supply or demand. I don't know of a single 1M owner who is clearly getting rid of their 1M for an M2......single turbo from a twin? same torque? more weight? not as good looking? not limited? really makes no sense...

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

I don't know of a single 1M owner who is clearly getting rid of their 1M for an M2

Am I mistaken here or did Artemis sell his 1M for an M2?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1185093

[swagon]

Originally Posted by EvenEsteban

Am I mistaken here or did Artemis sell his 1M for an M2?

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1185093

Yep. He's waiting for a Mineral Gray M2.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by swagon

Yep. He's waiting for a Mineral Gray M2.

Yes, I know... it was a rhetorical question.

[Gangplank]

Well I guess there is one 1M to M2 then. :LOL:

[Joaco135]

^^ There will be more for sure...

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

nah. they said the same thing when the M4 was coming out....and it had NO impact on 1M supply or demand. I don't know of a single 1M owner who is clearly getting rid of their 1M for an M2......single turbo from a twin? same torque? more weight? not as good looking? not limited? really makes no sense...

370 HP and 380 torque (with overboost) stock...more than the 1M stock. With a tune, well over 400/400. Single larger twin-scroll turbo. Not as good looking? Strictly subjective, but I like it. More available colors. More weight? Not much, as the 1M was only 250 lbs. lighter than a same-year 335i.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by roundel335

370 HP and 380 torque (with overboost) stock...more than the 1M stock. With a tune, well over 400/400. Single larger twin-scroll turbo. Not as good looking? Strictly subjective, but I like it. More available colors. More weight? Not much, as the 1M was only 250 lbs. lighter than a same-year 335i.

huh? no the torque is 370 on both. same. 30 more HP.

N54 >> N55. i've owned both engines.

I don't care about 'tuning' at all...but way more tuneability of an N54.

the 1M is a way better looking car than the M2, IMO.....

the 1M is 3300 lbs on paper and by people weighing their cars....i highly doubt any M2 will be near that.

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

huh? no the torque is 370 on both. same. 30 more HP.

N54 >> N55. i've owned both engines.

I don't care about 'tuning' at all...but way more tuneability of an N54.

the 1M is a way better looking car than the M2, IMO.....

the 1M is 3300 lbs on paper and by people weighing their cars....i highly doubt any M2 will be near that.

Weight is 3450, not much more than 1M. Funny that you mention the N54 being superior to the N55 when the hot setup for the N54 was a conversion to a single larger turbo by Vishnu tuning. How exactly is the M2's N55 less "tunable" than the N54? Intercooler, software, charge pipe, exhaust, intake, meth injection all available for both engines, not to mention modified turbos offered for both as well. Price on the M2 is somewhere around $51K, which includes the 4-year maintenance/warranty; doubtful one can get a 1M with the same for that price.

The 1M was/is a great car...but the M2 eclipses it for today's buyer looking for a more compact alternative to the M4 and isn't interested in buying used. Will the 1M become a classic like the Z8? Possibly, but likely not nearly as pricey or exclusive.

[Solo_M_Tech]

If you look at this like classic cars.....
1M. Uber rare, one year limited production, and numbered.
M2, Mass production, No year model restrictions.

Aesthetics:
1M looks better than the M2. The M2 is just too much, everywhere, except the engine.

Performance: M2 is gonna out perform the 1M. Track times will prove this, 0-60 etc.

Special Feel: 1M will always have it. It looks wierd (<3) it's limited production, it drives special, and people will always find it intriguing.

I got to test drive a new M4, and though i believe the car is drastically capable and fast, it doesn't feel special. I don't get the feeling I'm driving an ///M car. Especailly after test driving a 435i Msport right after. It didn't have that special feel.
I got to sit in a 1M (First time ever considering I know 6 or so owners) and though I am alittle biased, I had a distinct "Special" feel when I got to sit in the drivers seat and start that N54 with Akro exhaust!

To those who own, or understand how car values work, will know the 1M is gonna go up in price. It has too. If you are buy a car just to drive a couple years and sell, get an M2. If you plan on keeping it indef, get or keep a 1M.

[champignon]

Buy the M2 if you want the "modern" M-Series car experience the way that most people will own it, which is to say as a DD and for several years with lots of depreciation each year. Probably it is a much better deal to do it as a lease you can write off paid for by your business.

Buy the 1M as a Sunday driver garage queen collectible. If your plan is to put lots of miles on it, that will effect the resale value a lot, as it does for any collectible car.

[amsnow440]

Originally Posted by roundel335

Weight is 3450, not much more than 1M. Funny that you mention the N54 being superior to the N55 when the hot setup for the N54 was a conversion to a single larger turbo by Vishnu tuning. How exactly is the M2's N55 less "tunable" than the N54? Intercooler, software, charge pipe, exhaust, intake, meth injection all available for both engines, not to mention modified turbos offered for both as well. Price on the M2 is somewhere around $51K, which includes the 4-year maintenance/warranty; doubtful one can get a 1M with the same for that price.

The 1M was/is a great car...but the M2 eclipses it for today's buyer looking for a more compact alternative to the M4 and isn't interested in buying used. Will the 1M become a classic like the Z8? Possibly, but likely not nearly as pricey or exclusive.

A very large single turbo setup is leagues different than a small (relatively speaking) stock frame hybrid twin scroll setup (the only upgrades I've seen for the N55). And Vishnu has been out of the game for quite some time, N54 tuning has changed a lot since then.

The current N54 hybrid twins record is 711whp with over 500wtq from 3600 rpm-redline. The record for a single is 861whp with a vastly different torque curve (I couldn't find the plot). No one has even come close to these numbers on an N55 that I'm aware of.

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by amsnow440

A very large single turbo setup is leagues different than a small (relatively speaking) stock frame hybrid twin scroll setup (the only upgrades I've seen for the N55). And Vishnu has been out of the game for quite some time, N54 tuning has changed a lot since then.

The current N54 hybrid twins record is 711whp with over 500wtq from 3600 rpm-redline. The record for a single is 861whp with a vastly different torque curve (I couldn't find the plot). No one has even come close to these numbers on an N55 that I'm aware of.

You may want to read up on that in the F2x/F3x section. There are several providers of much larger/more efficient turbos for N55 engines as well as bolt-ons and software upgrades. I've see reports of 500/500 whp/tq from one 335i owner. Pure Turbo has some interesting upgrades among other suppliers. What I'm waiting to find out is whether the M2's variant of the N55 has a significantly different turbo or if it's just software. That'll determine how tuneable it is without upgrading the turbo itself.

So when did Shiv stop producing the PROCEDE? I've been out of the N54 stuff since 3/2013.

[X2 Monstah]

Interesting article...
http://jalopnik.com/why-the-bmw-1-se...ssic-508797316