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      08-22-2010, 07:07 AM   #45
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Another thought................

M3 is the darling of the automotive press and its owners. There is never a mention of the M6, or the M SUV's. On some levels the M5 is very sort after.

Will the 1M win us over with a back to basics, lighter, and toss able car?

I bet the euro press will take a shining to it and place it over the M3.
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Will the 1M win us over with a back to basics, lighter, and toss able car?

I bet the euro press will take a shining to it and place it over the M3.
Indeed, European drivers and press have an affinity to small, powerful cars that have first-class handling. Reasonable parts of France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland and Austria have tons of narrow-winding roads where smaller cars with less weight are in advantage.

I can imagine that the 1M (given it's a sort of back-to-basics driving machine) will get high marks in the European press ... and the new 1M could really take the position of the early M3s before they started to become heavy, large and stuffed with electronics. There are still some guys that prefer to drive a car instead of programming it
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Indeed, European drivers and press have an affinity to small, powerful cars that have first-class handling. Reasonable parts of France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland and Austria have tons of narrow-winding roads where smaller cars with less weight are in advantage.

I can imagine that the 1M (given it's a sort of back-to-basics driving machine) will get high marks in the European press ... and the new 1M could really take the position of the early M3s before they started to become heavy, large and stuffed with electronics. There are still some guys that prefer to drive a car instead of programming it
Nicely said.
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      08-22-2010, 09:18 AM   #49
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Looks great, Chris! I am absolutely shocked at all this "talking down" of the M3.

GT-R, CTS-V, IS-F, C63, RS4, RS5, 911, and everything under the sun is compared to the M3. Things that dont even make sense. That's how damn good it is. It didn't consistently get critical acclaim for the last 25 years because it rested on its laurels. It really is the everyday super car. It looks great and does everything well. Honestly, the only major strike the M3 has against it is pricing. Out the gate a sizable portion of buyers thinks the 1 series looks "off." We're going up against 25 years of history and heritage here. The 1M will be great in its own special way, but it wont do much to inflict too much pain on the M3. The beauty of the car is that it feels like it was always that way. Unlike most of its competitors that feel like sooped up versions of an other car. The question remains if the 1M will feel that way.

What the hell is this bad around town B.S. everybody keeps talking about? The ideal launch point I've learned to get the best off the line accel is about 3800 in the M3. I've been around S2000's, RX8, and other high revving cars and launching under 4000rpm is no dice. Faster around town? Its safe to say we're talking midrange. People buying the M actually enjoy the revving and rowing through the gears. Heaven forbid M drivers ever wanting to do that!! If not, just buy a high torque 6.2 liter GM hi po car, right?

I'm sorry but I have to be realistic here. One is the boss and has been the boss. The other is trying to be the boss.

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      08-22-2010, 04:56 PM   #50
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Looks great, Chris! I am absolutely shocked at all this "talking down" of the M3.

GT-R, CTS-V, IS-F, C63, RS4, RS5, 911, and everything under the sun is compared to the M3. Things that dont even make sense. That's how damn good it is. It didn't consistently get critical acclaim for the last 25 years because it rested on its laurels. It really is the everyday super car. It looks great and does everything well. Honestly, the only major strike the M3 has against it is pricing. Out the gate a sizable portion of buyers thinks the 1 series looks "off." We're going up against 25 years of history and heritage here. The 1M will be great in its own special way, but it wont do much to inflict too much pain on the M3. The beauty of the car is that it feels like it was always that way. Unlike most of its competitors that feel like sooped up versions of an other car. The question remains if the 1M will feel that way.

What the hell is this bad around town B.S. everybody keeps talking about? The ideal launch point I've learned to get the best off the line accel is about 3800 in the M3. I've been around S2000's, RX8, and other high revving cars and launching under 4000rpm is no dice. Faster around town? Its safe to say we're talking midrange. People buying the M actually enjoy the revving and rowing through the gears. Heaven forbid M drivers ever wanting to do that!! If not, just buy a high torque 6.2 liter GM hi po car, right?

I'm sorry but I have to be realistic here. One is the boss and has been the boss. The other is trying to be the boss.

I know what you are trying to say. It's true, the M3 is the king. The M3 has beat all those cars as an overall package but they are all different brands. This isn't the first time BMW has brought in something new which hasn't competed with something else they are already successful in. I see the 1M being equal and in some areas better than the current M3. If it is better than the M3, it won't be by much. The favour will be returned by the next gen M3 in the coming years.
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      08-22-2010, 07:44 PM   #52
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I know what you are trying to say. It's true, the M3 is the king. The M3 has beat all those cars as an overall package but they are all different brands. This isn't the first time BMW has brought in something new which hasn't competed with something else they are already successful in. I see the 1M being equal and in some areas better than the current M3. If it is better than the M3, it won't be by much. The favour will be returned by the next gen M3 in the coming years.
I agree. The M3 will certainly not beat the 1M in all categories. It boils down to physical size with me as well. The M3 does not drive like a car its size but its still that size when you're looking at it. The dimensions of the 1er is almost perfect.
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      08-23-2010, 12:30 PM   #53
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I find it funny when Americans claim that some cars are overpriced... 135i in Australia = $75K+, M3? try $180k+!!!
Due to some pretty stiff import taxes no less, correct? I didn't see the prices of Holdens or Fords getting quite that high.
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I agree. The M3 will certainly not beat the 1M in all categories. It boils down to physical size with me as well. The M3 does not drive like a car its size but its still that size when you're looking at it. The dimensions of the 1er is almost perfect.
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Lets be honest the M1 will be an excuse for those who can't afford the M3
I would go for a 135I or M3 that's about it. No need for the overpriced M1...the 135I was already a good car just needed some suspension work that I didn't wanted to do so I got rid of it for something more focused.
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Lets be honest the M1 will be an excuse for those who can't afford the M3
I would go for a 135I or M3 that's about it. No need for the overpriced M1...the 135I was already a good car just needed some suspension work that I didn't wanted to do so I got rid of it for something more focused.
Just needs some suspension work? How about your signature..? Differential too, right? I'd also add: wider rubber, a more robust powerband, gearing, and muscular looks. Okay, the last one is subjective but I think most (men) would agree.
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      08-24-2010, 06:33 PM   #57
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Lets be honest the M1 will be an excuse for those who can't afford the M3
Let's be even more honest. The M3 (and the 3 series in general) is becoming too big and overly refined.

There are some interesting details about this on the latest Bimmerfile podcast (i.e. how high frequency feedback has been eliminated from late model bimmers, and increasing such feedback may recapture the feeling of older M cars).

Some of us want an M car more akin to the E30/36/46. I really don't care about the price
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I had an M3. Sold it because to heavy for cornering. It s a nice daily but a 330d is fine for that too. I have changed my m3 for this. I would like to have a cheap ///M car next to it. Maybe 1///M is nice for that. Depends on pricing.

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I say go for the M3, but im Partial to CI......and the Torque it brings with it.
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Im of the opinion that the 1m is simply a smaller easier to manuever car. The M3 is a sweet car for it's class, but I dont feel you can compare it to an M version of the 1 series. Two totally different rides. Personally...i'm a 1 series kinda guy lol
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Well, that's a hard choice for me. On first thoughts I would fcourse the E92M3. More power, NA engine (no turbo shit etc.), more sportscar. On the track the M3 wil be the faster car.

BUT,

The looks are very promissing of the 1M. Wait until I can see it in real live, but I do like the styling of the 1M a lot. More then the M3. And ofcourse the 1M will be also a very fine car to drive, and a lot less money(!) and for daily use also very good to use.

So, I think I would give away the better drivers car (E92M3) and take the better looking car (1M) in stead. The 1M is good enough. Maybe some better 'pure' image to. And thats what BMW M is all about.

Note: I do agree of some members here. If you truly want a sportcar, go Porsche. Take the Spyder! I have driven it. So much better as a sportscar than BMW nowadays.. no doubts.
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I was having high hopes for the 1M but it appears to be hideous looking.
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I was having high hopes for the 1M but it appears to be hideous looking.
If by hideous you mean a sensational E46 successor on steroids, then I agree!



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I made the choice already. It's tough when the 1M specs aren't even released, never mind the ability to test drive, but I decided I'd rather have one of the last high revving N/A (V8 at that) M cars before they are gone. And the size of the M3 is deceiving. It feels light and nimble behind the wheel. If you get a chance to drive one and run it past 8k rpms, you'll have a hard time walking away from it.

I am with radiant on this. I have stated a million times that its sad they are using the old n54 and simply tuning it..I wanted to get the last V8 that will be put in an M3. Not a tuned n54 engine that is already sitting in my car.
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No question about it, a used M3 over the 1M for the same money.
Could go out and get one today, stacks of them on the market. Great cars. Couldn't knock one.

Just not interested.
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