Thoughts on the 1M coming from modded 135i

[Zuzu]

Simple tune on a 1M and you will def have a monster car. Small expense.

[alik01]

I recently drove FJP135i's very nicely modded 135i with JB3 and suspension. Was an absolutely amazing car - really loved it.

That said, what is amazing about the 1M and what nobody is mentioning is the nature of its power delivery. The throttle response is so much better compared to the already good 135i and the effect of the M button is something that cannot be replicated by the tune. Keeping the boost dialed up makes turns this car into something absolutely amazing!

My opinion only as I really don't care too much for excessive power. Balance and handling is whole another story!

[Jeef Beef]

I don't think the 1M has a simple LSD like what you'd install on a 135i...the M-diff is an active diff that actually puts power to the outside wheel.

[BBK]

I wish someone would just get a 1M and a modded 135i, go to the track and settle it once and for all!

[MrBlonde]

A modded 1M is going to rock over any 135. Our 135s are also rans.

[Jeef Beef]

Originally Posted by ianf2002

Really?...I understood a Quaife LSD to be as good as an M-Diff??

The M-diff has electronic adjustability in the M3, and is not a simple mechanical limited slip diff. They took out the adjustability in the 1M, but it retains its function as an active variable diff.

Rather than simply regulate the difference in rotation speeds between the two rear wheels like a Quaife LSD (a passive function), the M-diff has a pump that actively sends more power to the wheel with better traction.

BMW were very adamant about noting the differences when it debuted in the E46 M3. I believe the same tech is in the 1M

[koastal]

Originally Posted by BBK

I wish someone would just get a 1M and a modded 135i, go to the track and settle it once and for all!

What a good idea. Or maybe a std 135 and a std 1M. Would be terrific to see the difference. Would expect maybe 2 -3 secs on most medium length tracks. Woul be dissapointed if anything less.

[dh58]

Originally Posted by koastal

What a good idea. Or maybe a std 135 and a std 1M. Would be terrific to see the difference. Would expect maybe 2 -3 secs on most medium length tracks. Woul be dissapointed if anything less.

Yeah they should take the 1m out vs jd75's modded 135..


.....that will definitely settle it once and for all....

[sparoz]

If you are going to spend the difference between upgrading to a 1M in modding, that's close to 40k worth. There's no way it won't beat a stock 1M on track if it's done properly.

Even compare new car + mod price, it would still be 25k and that would probably still beat the 1M on track. Again, provided that the 135i is tuned correctly.

[Alpine*]

At the end of the day, a reasonably priced new or even used 135i + SOME mods is brilliant BFYB, no doubt about it.

For us, I will admit it, that the cachet of the ///M badge is appealing (check it is Microsoft's Thesaurus and you get "snob value" hahaha). The other two reasons we bought one was that it is a hi po 135i with warranty and lastly, being rare and factory fit, it will hold it's value far greater than ANY modded car will.

So the debate rages........ good banter among the 1 series and M boys and girls I say

[05C4R]

Originally Posted by koastal

What a good idea. Or maybe a std 135 and a std 1M. Would be terrific to see the difference. Would expect maybe 2 -3 secs on most medium length tracks. Woul be dissapointed if anything less.

i did last week, 1m is much faster, i don't know how many seconds, but much much faster at eastern creek, you can take alot more speed into corners and exit so much faster, you would need to do what Way did to his 135i and put a wide body on the front or massive amounts of camber to make it corner faster, just look at the ring times for either one, this is a silly argument. yes the 135i is faster in a straight line with a tune, and yes the 1m can corner better.

[alik01]

Originally Posted by beemer

i did last week, 1m is much faster, i don't know how many seconds, but much much faster at eastern creek, you can take alot more speed into corners and exit so much faster, you would need to do what Way did to his 135i and put a wide body on the front or massive amounts of camber to make it corner faster, just look at the ring times for either one, this is a silly argument. yes the 135i is faster in a straight line with a tune, and yes the 1m can corner better.

+1. I had the exact same observations this weekend re the 1M can attest to it's cornering ability. With the M button on, it's ability power out of corners is quite remarkable also.

[BBK]

Originally Posted by beemer

i did last week, 1m is much faster, i don't know how many seconds, but much much faster at eastern creek, you can take alot more speed into corners and exit so much faster, you would need to do what Way did to his 135i and put a wide body on the front or massive amounts of camber to make it corner faster, just look at the ring times for either one, this is a silly argument. yes the 135i is faster in a straight line with a tune, and yes the 1m can corner better.

That was a stock 135i with performance upgrade, so basically a slight power bump with no suspension mods at all. Of course the 1M would run rings around it?

I don't think the 135i needs a widebody to be competitive with the 1M. Fatter tyres, and you are within 85% of what the 1M has. Let's not forget, the 1M is merely a 135i with M3 suspension, slightly wider track due to wider tyres with the performance power pack on it.

If you put all that on a 135i it would be the same, minus the widebody and the badge obviously. The steering, as I pointed out is quicker and lighter though which would probably cost a bit to change in the 135i.

I'm not sure why some people think it will cost so much to make a 135i as fast as a 1M, and why it causes so much anger? You can do this to most types of cars, just like modding a 335i will make it as fast as an M3. I'm not saying I'd rather do that than have the M, as there are some aspects that just won't give you that same M 'feeling'. But there is no doubt you can make the 135i 'faster' on a track for less money.

[JB4-335]

Originally Posted by BBK

That was a stock 135i with performance upgrade, so basically a slight power bump with no suspension mods at all. Of course the 1M would run rings around it?

I don't think the 135i needs a widebody to be competitive with the 1M. Fatter tyres, and you are within 85% of what the 1M has. Let's not forget, the 1M is merely a 135i with M3 suspension, slightly wider track due to wider tyres with the performance power pack on it.

If you put all that on a 135i it would be the same, minus the widebody and the badge obviously. The steering, as I pointed out is quicker and lighter though which would probably cost a bit to change in the 135i.

I'm not sure why some people think it will cost so much to make a 135i as fast as a 1M, and why it causes so much anger? You can do this to most types of cars, just like modding a 335i will make it as fast as an M3. I'm not saying I'd rather do that than have the M, as there are some aspects that just won't give you that same M 'feeling'. But there is no doubt you can make the 135i 'faster' on a track for less money.

You can make a 135i just as quick as a 1M down a 1/4 mile with $479 (JB4). Around a track it's a different story.

[BBK]

Originally Posted by JB4135

You can make a 135i just as quick as a 1M down a 1/4 mile with $479 (JB4). Around a track it's a different story.

Like we have already gone through earlier in this thread, $15k and you can have your 135i as fast as a 1M quite easily. So buy a new 135i for $75k, and for $90k you've got it.

But like we have all said, it's still not an M!

[Zuzu]

Originally Posted by JB4135

You can make a 135i just as quick as a 1M down a 1/4 mile with $479 (JB4). Around a track it's a different story.

Or just add the JB4 to the 1M and see ya later..

[Jeef Beef]

Originally Posted by Zuzu

Or just add the JB4 to the 1M and see ya later..

Don't forget DPs and meth.

[05C4R]

Originally Posted by Zuzu

Or just add the JB4 to the 1M and see ya later..

ha ha luv that hulk

[koastal]

Originally Posted by beemer

i did last week, 1m is much faster, i don't know how many seconds, but much much faster at eastern creek, you can take alot more speed into corners and exit so much faster, you would need to do what Way did to his 135i and put a wide body on the front or massive amounts of camber to make it corner faster, just look at the ring times for either one, this is a silly argument. yes the 135i is faster in a straight line with a tune, and yes the 1m can corner better.

What difference whas thier in times ?

I would have bpught a 1M excepting my heart was set on a DCT gearbox.
No regrets so far. I know that it is ultimately slower. But i luv this gearbox.

[05C4R]

i don't know there is no timing allowed and you can't pass except on the straight or if waved through, but the difference was significant in the bends, my old man pulled a few hundred meters per lap on me when he was in the m1. this being said however it seems you know how to point a car pretty well so as long as your on the limit its alot of fun in either, possibly more fun in the 135i as it lets you know alot earlier where the limit is, i found the limit in the m1 to be brutal and decided to keep it in MDM setting and not timyoyo which you can do in the 135i. so i would be very happy with a DCT 135i and like BBK says you can mod it to obliterate a 1M later on.

[alik01]

Originally Posted by beemer

i don't know there is no timing allowed and you can't pass except on the straight or if waved through, but the difference was significant in the bends, my old man pulled a few hundred meters per lap on me when he was in the m1. this being said however it seems you know how to point a car pretty well so as long as your on the limit its alot of fun in either, possibly more fun in the 135i as it lets you know alot earlier where the limit is, i found the limit in the m1 to be brutal and decided to keep it in MDM setting and not timyoyo which you can do in the 135i. so i would be very happy with a DCT 135i and like BBK says you can mod it to obliterate a 1M later on.

This is why I like the NT, they let us time and race each other - had a bit of dog fight with the 1M & GT3 last weekend!