Who has a 1M and looking at getting M2 or M4 GTS?

[frankn593]

Instead of an M2 or M4, try to get and old E30 M3; together with the 1M, at least for me, are the best couple.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by frankn593

Instead of an M2 or M4, try to get and old E30 M3; together with the 1M, at least for me, are the best couple.

1000% agree. if i had $50-60k lying around for a 2nd BMW it would either be an E30 M3 or a 2002 Turbo. No M2 or M4 even would come close to my garage!

post a photo of your pair!!

[Mdawood]

Originally Posted by frankn593

Instead of an M2 or M4, try to get and old E30 M3; together with the 1M, at least for me, are the best couple.

Yes yes yes.

[LOVEM]

I am number 3 at my dealer for adding M2. In Long Beach blue to compliment
It's stable mates.
1M (Valencia orange )
M4 ( Austin yellow/ SO )
Z3m ( Dakkar yellow / sunroof Delete )

[hot-j]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

hard life isn't it?!

nice consolation prize!

HA! I thought so.

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

1000% agree. if i had $50-60k lying around for a 2nd BMW it would either be an E30 M3 or a 2002 Turbo. No M2 or M4 even would come close to my garage!

post a photo of your pair!!

No way! Been there and done that, a couple times! Had a beautiful low mileage silver car and it was cool but not enough power. Not only that but always worried some tool would hit it. Also had a track only white one. Fun but not super fast with S14 and costly when it pops!

No expensive track cars for me, I have a great Spec E46 race car.

M4 GTS is going to be in that garage next to 1M. None of you guys have changed my mind. Especially you guys proposing older BMW's.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

No way! Been there and done that, a couple times! Had a beautiful low mileage silver car and it was cool but not enough power. Not only that but always worried some tool would hit it. Also had a track only white one. Fun but not super fast with S14 and costly when it pops!

No expensive track cars for me, I have a great Spec E46 race car.

M4 GTS is going to be in that garage next to 1M. None of you guys have changed my mind. Especially you guys proposing older BMW's.

i honestly cannot think of a single reason of buying an M4 GTS over a 911 GT3, aside from possibly inability to actually find a GT3. I think i'd even choose a Cayman GT4 over an M4 GTS. So that being said....i am curious WHY you are interested in the M4 GTS? Just loyalty to BMW? Not sure i understand....just seems like a gussied up M4 whereas the GT3 or GT4 are ground up full on sports cars.

I can see why you don't want an 'older' car experience as you've owned them before. People like me have NOT owned them before though.....so there is still novelty in an E30 M3 or a 2002 Turbo for us

[vasmir]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

...People like me have NOT owned them before though.....so there is still novelty in an E30 M3 or a 2002 Turbo for us

+1.

Also of note: To many people - myself included - driving a slow car fast is inherently more fun than driving a fast car slow.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

No way! Been there and done that, a couple times! Had a beautiful low mileage silver car and it was cool but not enough power. Not only that but always worried some tool would hit it. Also had a track only white one. Fun but not super fast with S14 and costly when it pops!

No expensive track cars for me, I have a great Spec E46 race car.

M4 GTS is going to be in that garage next to 1M. None of you guys have changed my mind. Especially you guys proposing older BMW's.

I owned two E30 m3 over 17 Years so at this point in time.. I prefer a newer car.

I would still love to own a genuine sport Evo in Jet Black, even though I had a lot of fun with 2.5L S14s of my own.

Love the spec E46 race car. Cheap clean reliable fun. E46 is the new /E30.

I love my 1M. I have looked at the 2 series and not sure I could make the switch unless for M2 CSL. A Cayman GT4 would be amazing but simply is out of my reach. I would definitely stretch for an M2 CSL if it came in under 75K.

And then I would definitely have to sleep in it. ..


Although perhaps not as desirable from a value perspective, The M4 GTS is unique and will be much more rare than a 911 GT3. It's also a car that is more streetable and more of an every day car.

what would your primary use be for the M4 GTS?

I imagine therein lies the answer to.. " why not GT3"

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I owned two E30 m3 over 17 Years so at this point in time.. I prefer a newer car.

I would still love to own a genuine sport Evo in Jet Black, even though I had a lot of fun with 2.5L S14s of my own.

Love the spec E46 race car. Cheap clean reliable fun. E46 is the new /E30.

I love my 1M. I have looked at the 2 series and not sure I could make the switch unless for M2 CSL. A Cayman GT4 would be amazing but simply is out of my reach. I would definitely stretch for an M2 CSL if it came in under 75K.

And then I would definitely have to sleep in it. ..


Although perhaps not as desirable from a value perspective, The M4 GTS is unique and will be much more rare than a 911 GT3. It's also a car that is more streetable and more of an every day car.

what would your primary use be for the M4 GTS?

I imagine therein lies the answer to.. " why not GT3"

Well said! You understand my position! I've driven slow cars fast and yes they are fun and I'll likely always have a E30 to drive around.

But a fast well balanced car is a think of beauty!

My use for a M4 GTS? Likely the same as my 1M which has 10k miles on it. Sunny day driver for sure. Fast sprint drives on the weekend and something to drive to VIR for pro races. But also I see the day coming when I don't race anymore and all I wanna do is really fast laps with other gentlemen drivers at Chin events. Already too many GT3's at those events! I want something special!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by champignon

I wouldn't buy any current production BMW. Any of the current production cars and those soon to be in production will emphasize ever more modern technology with its innate disconnectedness from the driver, with better observable metrics such as power, speed, and fuel consumption. Since this automobile company and most others have ditched driving pleasure (other than enjoyment of brute force and speed) as one of their "metrics," you can be sure that all the cars they sell in the future will follow this trend to the extent possible. That makes all of these "modern cars" less desirable as soon as successor vehicles are offered, basically the BMW blueprint for making their cars depreciate at breakneck speed. From the standpoint of a vehicle manufacturer making expensive luxury vehicles for affluent or wannabee affluent people, this is a very good place to be.

If I were looking for another car, I'd be looking at a used one that is modern enough to be safe, has enough creature comforts to satisfy me (or can be modded to have them such as by changing the head unit) and that had low enough mileage and was in good enough shape that it could be considered to be a long term keeper.

You will always be able to buy a powerful car with luxury features and numb electric power steering, as this is the future for all the luxury car brands, not just BMW.

great rant and agree with all but the part about the " ditching of driving pleasure"

If you think there is no driving pleasure to be had in a modern BMW...

Actually... you also should change your line to " precise, non mechanical electric steering" .. I agree that the the first generation of BMW electric steering may have been numb,... however the steering on the M2 and M4 and cars like the Porsche Cayman is almost always described as very precise... very good feedback... just there is no mechanical heft to it.. I don't think I have heard reviewers use the term numb in quite a while...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

Well said! You understand my position! I've driven slow cars fast and yes they are fun and I'll likely always have a E30 to drive around.

But a fast well balanced car is a think of beauty!

My use for a M4 GTS? Likely the same as my 1M which has 10k miles on it. Sunny day driver for sure. Fast sprint drives on the weekend and something to drive to VIR for pro races. But also I see the day coming when I don't race anymore and all I wanna do is really fast laps with other gentlemen drivers at Chin events. Already too many GT3's at those events! I want something special!

LOL. I have been to Road Atlanta several times... and now that we have COTA here in Texas.. the upper run groups at every DE are chock full of 911 variants! It's nice to have a unique car in the paddock! Totally agree!

[frankn593]

All cars mentioned here are great; I been driving the 1M with akrapovic complete exhaust; it is a complete beast; however...the M3 E30, of course much even, more slower is THE CAR.
Both are great for my purpose, driving on freeways and some track events during the year.