330i options?

e90M3 · 08-02-2005, 10:08 PM

The 330i without options should automatically come with the 325i premium package options for the extra $6000.
A no-option 330i does not even come with power folding mirrors or lumbar seats or leather.
I think that is rip-off for a nearly $37,000 car.

xspeedy · 08-02-2005, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e90M3

The 330i without options should automatically come with the 325i premium package options for the extra $6000.
A no-option 330i does not even come with power mirrors or seats!
I think that is rip-off for a nearly $37,000 car.

Perhaps you should revisit the BMW USA website and check the standard features for the 330i.

You get power seats and power mirrors standard.

CALIF65GM · 08-02-2005, 10:21 PM

mapezzul · 08-02-2005, 10:40 PM

WOW, you really should try READING that info again.....
the 330 comes standard with the following:
(READ THE PDF)

stressdoc · 08-02-2005, 10:50 PM

I think the gap btw the E90 325 and 330 has been closed significantly compared with the differences btw the E46 325/330. The cars are much more similar now. You get 6sp trans, 149 mph limiter with zsp, wood trim, sunroof, improved stereo (albeit not the logic 7!), full display, and virtually all the major pieces are in common. The 325 is a better deal now than it was. That said, we are not always rational about such decisions, and if I were forced to put my order in today, it would be for a 330i. There was slightly more markup on the 330, but that was evened out with the new Sept price change.

ward · 08-03-2005, 12:07 AM

If you think it's a rip off, DON'T BUY ONE

if you don't appreciate the car for what it delivers over the competition GO BUY A LEXUS

no one's making you buy a BMW

marcus330i · 08-03-2005, 12:45 AM

See my sig for the specs of my 330. If I got the 325 with the exact same options/packages the difference in price would have been $3300. Not too bad for bigger engine/wheels/brakes. Some people pay $2000 or more for aftermarket wheels but with the 330 sport you really don't need them. My 2 cents.

JVFan · 08-03-2005, 12:54 AM

deck lid badge costs 500

Thomas · 08-03-2005, 04:51 AM

$37.000 is a bargin!!

The US-standard 330i, costs in Holland about $65.000.. I just looked at the prices in Denmark (the country with the highest taxes in Europe), a EU-standard 330i without power seats etc costs about $110.000!!!

davinet78 · 08-03-2005, 07:04 AM

us prices are really cheap compared to european prices

xspeedy · 08-03-2005, 07:40 AM

I first went with a 325i, trying to logical about the value and all. But then I became a bit greedy and went for the 330. What the hell, you only live once.

I trade up annually, and my dealer told me that resale between the 325 and 330 would be the same on a percentile basis. Since I do ED, and since the ED discount works out to be more for the 330i, my cost of ownership for the year is pretty much the same. It would almost be dumb for me to get the 325.

mapezzul · 08-03-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by davinet78

us prices are really cheap compared to european prices

In economics, purchasing power parity (PPP) is a method used to calculate an alternative exchange rate between the currencies of two countries. The PPP measures how much a currency can buy in terms of an international measure (usually dollars), since goods and services have different prices in some countries than in others.
A simple example of a measure of absolute PPP is the Big Mac index popularised by The Economist, which looks at the prices of a Big Mac burger in McDonald's restaurants in different countries.
http://www.economist.com/markets/big...ory_id=4065603
6/2005
Big Mac
US= 3.06
Denmark= 4.58
Difference of greater than 50%
implied purchasing power of the us dollar= 9.08

ppp=purchasing power parity
country country isocode year PPP
Denmark DNK 2000 8.64
France FRA 2000 6.46
United Kingdom GBR 2000 0.65
Germany GER 2000 2.02
Japan JPN 2000 156.08
United States USA 2000 1.00

So going by the number from 2000 (compliments of Penn World Table) The $110,000 car would really only be $12731, if all was equal between the US and Denmark wages,standard of living costs of goods and services etc.

Exchange rates are not really meant to take in to consideration Purchasing power, so you can not convert something and it be equal.
PPP is not an exact science but is pretty good.
Hope that helps....

JVFan · 08-03-2005, 12:53 PM

13000 BMW in Denmark?....I don't buy that for one second.

CC 330i · 08-03-2005, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e90M3

The 330i without options should automatically come with the 325i premium package options for the extra $6000.
A no-option 330i does not even come with power folding mirrors or lumbar seats or leather.
I think that is rip-off for a nearly $37,000 car.

Once you drive the 330i, you will realize that it is not a rip off for $37K. I have a bare bones 330i with Sport Package and Satellite Prep as the only options, and I love it.

I was coming from a car with fold down seats and leather, and I don't really miss either yet, though when I want to take the car to go surfing for the first time, I may change my mind about the seats. If you are ordering, fold down seats are only $475, so that's no biggie.

Power mirrors and seats are standard on the 330i, but not power RETRACTING mirrors or power lumbar support. You are correct about that. Sport Package gets you the sport seats which have power side bolsters, but not power lumbar, which is part of the premium package. It would be nice to have power retractable mirrors, but I don't know that I would use them that much.

mapezzul · 08-03-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JVFan

13000 BMW in Denmark?....I don't buy that for one second.

That is not the point.... it is not really 13k, read the post. or read the article attached. You can not compare currencies in different countries equal, just the same as in different areas of the same country or state. Things cost more in certain places for many reasons, if I took my salary from where i live and moved to a different area of the state, my purchasing power changes, I live by NYC where the cost of living is high so my dollar will not go as far as it would in the middle of no where etc. It also takes into account standards of living, wages.... etc.
So if ALL things were equal it would be the same as us buying a 13k auto, and you must then take the salary here and convert it also...

stressdoc · 08-03-2005, 03:11 PM

mapezzul is spot on IMO. That said, I think analyses that consider what proportion of a nation's populace can afford to buy a BMW if they expend 10% (or whatever proportion you want to allot) of their yearly disposable income on a car is a better measure. The big dif btw Euro, RSA, and USA for affordability of cars is in the domain of taxes, and there the biggest difference is the Euro green progressive policies of taxing big gasoline/petrol engines. A 320D is a reasonable car for your typical upper-middle class family. A 330i is not. IF we could get 320Ds here in the USA, the price difference with a 330i would not be much. So for those of us driving our 330i/335i/M3s around on EDs, the masses are looking at us with envy.

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stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,858 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	I think the gap btw the E90 325 and 330 has been closed significantly compared with the differences btw the E46 325/330. The cars are much more similar now. You get 6sp trans, 149 mph limiter with zsp, wood trim, sunroof, improved stereo (albeit not the logic 7!), full display, and virtually all the major pieces are in common. The 325 is a better deal now than it was. That said, we are not always rational about such decisions, and if I were forced to put my order in today, it would be for a 330i. There was slightly more markup on the 330, but that was evened out with the new Sept price change.
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marcus330i Lieutenant 42 Rep 524 Posts Drives: 2006 330i 6spd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Point Loma, California iTrader: (0)	See my sig for the specs of my 330. If I got the 325 with the exact same options/packages the difference in price would have been $3300. Not too bad for bigger engine/wheels/brakes. Some people pay $2000 or more for aftermarket wheels but with the 330 sport you really don't need them. My 2 cents. __________________ Realtor Mobile: 6spd / Sport / Prem / Navi / ED 3-30-06 73 3.0s/84 528e/90 525i/97 M3 4dr/99 M3 Conv/2001 330i/2004 545i ED/2006 330i ED June 05 You're in control...is there anywhere you want to go ? -------------------------
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Thomas Second Lieutenant 67 Rep 281 Posts Drives: G21 330e Touring Join Date: May 2005 Location: Haarlem iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 BMW 330e Touring [0.00]	$37.000 is a bargin!! The US-standard 330i, costs in Holland about $65.000.. I just looked at the prices in Denmark (the country with the highest taxes in Europe), a EU-standard 330i without power seats etc costs about $110.000!!!
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stressdoc Moderator 618 Rep 10,858 Posts Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Waco TX iTrader: (0)	mapezzul is spot on IMO. That said, I think analyses that consider what proportion of a nation's populace can afford to buy a BMW if they expend 10% (or whatever proportion you want to allot) of their yearly disposable income on a car is a better measure. The big dif btw Euro, RSA, and USA for affordability of cars is in the domain of taxes, and there the biggest difference is the Euro green progressive policies of taxing big gasoline/petrol engines. A 320D is a reasonable car for your typical upper-middle class family. A 330i is not. IF we could get 320Ds here in the USA, the price difference with a 330i would not be much. So for those of us driving our 330i/335i/M3s around on EDs, the masses are looking at us with envy.
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