TDC or anybody know the weight of the 135i?!!?

[Propagator]

The problem is that there is more than one "standard" method to measure the weight of a vehicle. This, along with different standard equipment level, makes it difficult to translate what you see on european websites to US curb weight. (or unladen in case of BMW)

But having said that, I'm going to make a guess anyway. From the UK website, a base 330i is 100kg heavier than a 3 door 130i M sports. I think this may very well translate to the difference between a base 335i sedan and a 135i coupe M sports. I do not expect the coupe to be significantly lighter than the 3 door, as for example there is no weight advantage going from a 3er sedan to a 3er coupe.

So starting from 3594lbs for a 335i sedan, subtract 100kg=220lbs for going to a 1er hatch, and another 50lbs for going to a coupe, and my guess is 3320lbs for a 135i. By the same logic, a 128i would be around 3070lbs.

[Advevo]

The car is 1560kg EU. That s on the heavy side.

3 door 130i hatch is 1450kg EU.

[Wiggum]

Originally Posted by Advevo

The car is 1560kg EU. That s on the heavy side.

3 door 130i hatch is 1450kg EU.

What car?

[Advevo]

135i coupe is 1560kg EU weight.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by Advevo

135i coupe is 1560kg EU weight.

Is this a guess?

Dosent EU weight include the driver and 90percent gas.

[Advevo]

Technische Daten.
BMW 1er Coupé 135i.
Karosserie


Anzahl Türen / s

135i

Anzahl Türen/Sitzplätze
L

2/4

Länge/Breite/Höhe (leer)
)

mm

4

360/1748/1408

Radstand

mm

2

660

Spurweite vorne/hinten
wgsdfg

mm

1470/1497

Bodenfreiheit

mm

–

Wendekreis

m

10,7

Tankinhalt

ca. l

53

Kühlsystem einschl. Heizung
l

l

8,2

Motoröl
Getriebeöl

l

6,5

Getriebeöl

l

Dauerfüllung

Hinterachsengetriebeöl

l

Dauerfüllung

Leergewicht nach EU1

kg

1560

Zuladung nach DIN

kg

440

Zul. Gesamtgewicht nach DIN

kg

1925

Zul. Achslasten vorne/hinten

kg

945/1030

Zul. Anhängelast2





gebremst (12%)/ungebremst

Kg

–/–

Zul. Dachlast/Zul. Stützlast

kg

75

Kofferraumvolumen ISO 3832

ltrl

370

Luftwiderstand

cX x A

0,32 x 2,10

Motor





Bauart/Anz. Zylinder/Ventile Zylinder/Ventile

R/6/4

Kraftstoffaufbereitung

MSD80

Hubraum effektiv

cm³

2

979

Hub/Bohrung

mm

89,9/84,0

Verdichtung

: 1

10,2

Kraftstoff

ROZ 95–98

Leistung

kW/PS

225/306

bei Drehzahl

min–1

5

800

Drehmoment

Nm

400

bei Drehzahl

min–1

1300–5

000

Elektrik





Batterie/Einbauort

Ah/–

70/Gepäckraum

Lichtmaschine

A/W

180/2

520

Fahrwerk





Vorderradaufhängung

Doppelgelenk-Zugstreben-Federbeinachse in Aluminiumbauweise
Hinterradaufhängung

Fünf-Lenker-Achse in Stahlleichtbauweise
Bremsen vorn

6-Kolben-Festsattel-Scheibenbremsen
Durchmesser

mm

Belüftet/338 x 26

Bremsen hinten

2-Kolben-Festsattel-Scheibenbremsen
Durchmesser

mm

Belüftet/324 x 22

Fahrstabilitätssysteme

ABS, CBC, ASC, DSC, DTC, DBC;

Lenkung

Zahnstange

Gesamtübersetzung Lenkung

: 1

16,0

Getriebeart

G

Getriebeübersetzung I

: 1

4,055

II

: 1

2,396

III

: 1

1,582

IV

: 1

1,192

V

: 1

1,0

VI

: 1

0,872

R

: 1

3,677

Hinterachsübersetzung

: 1

3,08

Reifen vorne

215/40 R18 85Y RSC

Reifen hinten

245/35 R18 88Y RSC

Felgen vorne

7,5J x 18 LM

Felgen hinten

8,5J x 18 LM

Fahrleistungen





Leistungsgewicht nach DIN

kg/kW

6,6

Literleistung

kW/l

75,5

Beschleunigung 0–100 km/h

s

5,3

0–1000 m

s

24,6

80–120 km/h im 4./5. Gang

s

5,0/6,0

Höchstgeschwindigkeit

km/h

250

Verbrauch im EU-Zyklus





städtisch

l/100 km

13,0

außerstädtisch

l/100 km

7,0

insgesamt

l/100 km

9,2

CO2

g/km

220

Sonstiges





Emissionseinstufung

EU4

Typklasseneinstufung

KH/VK/TK

Gewicht des betriebsfertigen Fahrzeugs (DIN) plus 75 kg für Fahrer und Gepäck.
2Erhöhungen sind unter bestimmten Voraussetzungen möglich.
BMW 1er Coupé 120d, 123d.

Karosserie


Anzahl Türen / s

120d

123d

Anzahl Türen/Sitzplätze
L

2/4

2/4

Länge/Breite/Höhe (leer)
)

mm

4

360/1748/1423

4

360/1748/1423

Radstand

mm

2

660

2

660

Spurweite vorne/hinten
wgsdfg

mm

1484/1517

1484/1517

Bodenfreiheit

mm

–

–

Wendekreis

m

10,7

10,7

Tankinhalt

ca. l

51

51

Kühlsystem einschl. Heizung
l

l

7,2 (7,5)

7,2

Motoröl
Getriebeöl

l

5,5

5,5

Getriebeöl

l

Dauerfüllung

Dauerfüllung

Hinterachsengetriebeöl

l

Dauerfüllung

Dauerfüllung

Leergewicht nach EU1

kg

1450 (1455)

1495

Zuladung nach DIN

kg

440

440

Zul. Gesamtgewicht nach DIN

kg

1815 (1820)

1860

Zul. Achslasten vorne/hinten

kg

895/985

925/1000

Zul. Anhängelast2



gebremst (12%)/ungebremst

Kg

1200/720

1200/740

Zul. Dachlast/Zul. Stützlast

kg

75/75

75/75

Kofferraumvolumen ISO 3832

l

370

370

Luftwiderstand

cX x A

0,30 x 2,10

0,30 x 2,10

Motor



Bauart/Anz. Zylinder/Ventile Zylinder/Ventile

R/4/4

R/4/4

Kraftstoffaufbereitung

DDE 71

DDE 71

Hubraum effektiv

cm³

1995

1995

Hub/Bohrung

mm

90/84

90/84

Verdichtung

: 1

16,0

16,0

Kraftstoff

Diesel

Diesel

Leistung

kW/PS

130/177

150/204

bei Drehzahl

min–1

4

000

4

400

Drehmoment

Nm

350

400

bei Drehzahl

min–1

1750–3

000

2000–2

250

Elektrik



Batterie/Einbauort

Ah/–

80/Gepäckraum

80/Gepäckraum

Lichtmaschine

A/W

180/2

520

180/2

520

Fahrwerk



Vorderradaufhängung

Doppelgelenk-Zugstreben-Federbeinachse in Aluminiumbauweise
Hinterradaufhängung

Fünf-Lenker-Achse in Stahlleichtbauweise
Bremsen vorn

Einkolben-Faustsattel-Scheibenbremsen
Durchmesser

mm

Belüftet/300 x 24

Belüftet/330 x 24

Bremsen hinten

Einkolben-Faustsattel-Scheibenbremsen
Durchmesser

mm

Belüftet/300 x 20

Belüftet/300 x 20

Fahrstabilitätssysteme

ABS, CBC, ASC, DSC, DTC, DBC;
Lenkung

Hydraulische Zahnstangenlenkung
Gesamtübersetzung Lenkung

: 1

16,0

16,0

Getriebeart

H weit (6HP19TÜ)

G weit

Getriebeübersetzung I

: 1

5,140 (4,171)

5,080

II

: 1

2,830 (2,340)

2,804

III

: 1

1,804 (1,521)

1,783

IV

: 1

1,257 (1,143)

1,260

V

: 1

1,000 (0,867)

1,0

VI

: 1

0,831 (0,691)

0,835

R

: 1

4,638 (3,403)

4,607

Hinterachsübersetzung

: 1

2,56 (3,15)

2,65

Reifen vorne

205/50 R17 89V RSC

205/50 R17 89W RSC

Reifen hinten

205/50 R17 89V RSC

205/50 R17 89W RSC

Felgen vorne

7J x 17 LM

7J x 17 LM

Felgen hinten

7J x 17 LM

7J x 17 LM

Fahrleistungen



Leistungsgewicht nach DIN

kg/kW

10,6

9,5

Literleistung

kW/l

65,2

75,2

Beschleunigung 0–100 km/h

s

7,6 (7,8)

7,0

0–1000 m

s

28,2 (28,1)

27,3

80–120 km/h im 4. Gang

s

6,4 (–)

5,5

Höchstgeschwindigkeit

km/h

228 (226)

238

Verbrauch im EU-Zyklus



städtisch

L/100 km

6,1 (7,2)

6,5

außerstädtisch

l/100 km

4,1 (4,4)

4,4

insgesamt

l/100 km

4,8 (5,4)

5,2

CO2

g/km

128 (144)

138

Sonstiges



Emissionseinstufung

EU4

EU4

Typklasseneinstufung

KH/VK/TK

[Advevo]

yes one2k

But for the record

a 130i 3 doors version is 1450kg eu 135i coupe 1560 EU.

Thats 110kg diff. That s way to much.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by Advevo

yes one2k

But for the record

a 130i 3 doors version is 1450kg eu 135i coupe 1560 EU.

Thats 110kg diff. That s way to much.

The EU includes 75kg for the driver. Without that it brings the weight of the vehicle to 1485kg --> 3267 lbs.. Now I can live with that.

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

The EU includes 75kg for the driver. Without that it brings the weight of the vehicle to 1485kg --> 3267 lbs.. Now I can live with that.

A 335i sedan has EU unladen weight of 1610kg according to the UK and German website. 1610kg=3550lbs. This is just 44lbs less than the US unladen weight of 3594, which looks to be mostly coming from the lack of standard moonroof in both UK and German 335.

So, what happened to the 75kg driver? Well the weight on the european BMW websites are not EU1, but "unladen". I don't know if this includes the driver to begin with.

But the bottom line is that the 135i coupe is only 50kg=110lbs lighter than the 335i sedan. This is much less than my prediction of 270lbs, and I have always been on the conservative side when it came to the 1 series weight. :mad:

In any case, now we should expect the US website to quote the weight of the 135i coupe as ~3480lbs. Whether that includes a driver or not is another matter.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by spinzero

A 335i sedan has EU unladen weight of 1610kg according to the UK and German website. 1610kg=3550lbs. This is just 44lbs less than the US unladen weight of 3594, which looks to be mostly coming from the lack of standard moonroof in both UK and German 335.

So, what happened to the 75kg driver? I don't know. Maybe the US "unladen" does include the driver. After all, there must be a reason why they don't call it "curb" weight.

But the bottom line is that the 135i coupe is only 50kg=110lbs lighter than the 335i sedan. This is much less than my prediction of 270lbs, and I have always been on the conservative side when it came to the 1 series weight. :mad:

In any case, now we should expect the US website to quote the weight of the 135i coupe as ~3480lbs. Whether that includes a driver or not is another matter.

I still dont think it would be that high. Even if thats the case, it wont deter me from buying the vehicle. My prediction still stands at 3300ish!!! :tongue:

[eMINI]

Originally Posted by Advevo

yes one2k

But for the record

a 130i 3 doors version is 1450kg eu 135i coupe 1560 EU.

Thats 110kg diff. That s way to much.

It's always tough to get a handle on the published weights because we never know how the car is equipped when it's weighed. That said, I'd have a hard time blieving the 135TT coupe is 242 lb heavier than the 130 hatch. You gotta figure the cars are similarly equipped (apples to apples comparison) but... Man, that's heavier than I was hoping for.

Still, it is what it is. Thanks, Advevo for sourcing the data for us. And, as I've said before, BMW has had great success getting the car to drive lighter than it is. I'm still in, but now I need driving impressions.

[Propagator]

Quoted "unladen" weights in lbs, from US website vs. German website. US 330i weight is 2006 330i.

_________US_______EU

330i_____3417_____3430 (EU 13lbs more than US)

335i_____3590_____3550 (US 40lbs more than EU)

135i_______?______3440 (EU weight 10lbs more than EU 330i)

I personally don't see the ? turning into 33xx.

But there is still hope, and that is I have read multiple times that BMW "unladen" does in fact include the fuel and the driver. Confusing, but if this is true then it might not be all that bad compared to the competition.

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by spinzero

Quoted "unladen" weights in lbs, from US website vs. German website. US 330i weight is 2006 330i.

_________US_______EU

330i_____3417_____3430 (EU 13lbs more than US)

335i_____3590_____3550 (US 40lbs more than EU)

135i_______?______3440 (EU weight 10lbs more than EU 330i)

I personally don't see the ? turning into 33xx.

But there is still hope, and that is I have read multiple times that BMW "unladen" does in fact include the fuel and the driver. Confusing, but if this is true then it might not be all that bad compared to the competition.

Okay, now im seeing this from your POV. BMW's must include driver and fuel!! We have to get to the bottom of this.

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

Okay, now im seeing this from your POV. BMW's must include driver and fuel!! We have to get to the bottom of this.

Yeah, but one thing's for sure. The 1er is less than 5% lighter than the 3er! That is disappointing.

[hector]

Originally Posted by spinzero

In any case, now we should expect the US website to quote the weight of the 135i coupe as ~3480lbs. Whether that includes a driver or not is another matter.

if it comes in at 3480 without a driver and a tank of gas i'm gonna start looking again at the fwd compacts.:frown: .

[eMINI]

Uh-oh, Hector... after some basic math and a little speculation, my best guess is that 3480 lb including the driver and fuel is probably about right. If you back out the assumed driver's weight of 165 lb (75 kg), it comes out to 3315 lb. Whether (and how much) fuel load is included in the numbers published by other marques is somehing I don't know much about.

I'm basing these numbers on the following:

Originally Posted by Advevo

yes one2k

But for the record

a 130i 3 doors version is 1450kg eu 135i coupe 1560 EU.

Thats 110kg diff. That s way to much.

I agree that that's a big gain, certainly more than the 3-series gained. Take a look at spinzero's numbers and extrapolate from there:

Originally Posted by spinzero

Quoted "unladen" weights in lbs, from US website vs. German website. US 330i weight is 2006 330i.

_________US_______EU

330i_____3417_____3430 (EU 13lbs more than US)

335i_____3590_____3550 (US 40lbs more than EU)

135i_______?______3440 (EU weight 10lbs more than EU 330i)

I personally don't see the ? turning into 33xx.

But there is still hope, and that is I have read multiple times that BMW "unladen" does in fact include the fuel and the driver. Confusing, but if this is true then it might not be all that bad compared to the competition.

Theory #1
The US 330 to 335 adds 173 lb. EU 130 = 1450 kg = 3197 lb. 3197 + 173 = 3370 lb (1529 kg)

Theory #2
US 335 is 40lbs more than EU 135. EU 135 = 1560 kg = 3440 lb. 3440 = 40 = 3480 lb (1579 kg)

Theory #3
EU 135 is 10lbs more than EU 330i. US 330 = 3417 lb. 3417 + 10 = 3427 lb (1555 kg).

Conclusions:

1. The range is 3370 lb - 3480 lb. Unfortunately Theory #2 seem most credible. Starting at 3480 lb and removing the driver's weight to get to 3315 lb is still about 200 lbs heavier than I was hoping for. But it's also a bit bigger than I was hoping for.

2. I have not heard BMW making much noise about weight reductions so I'm guessing this is probably about where it's going to come in. It's very close to the stated 1560 kg (3439 lb) EU specs.

3. Maybe Theory #1 will be closer, we'll see. If so, subtracting the driver's weight leaves us at just 3205 lb.

4. Interestingly, I'm now thinking that waiting for a 260 hp 130i coupe that hasn't been de-tuned might make a lot of sense for a more pure driver's car.

[danp]

An EU1 of 1560kg...that's terrible ! (about 1450kg unladen). The E46 M3 was 1570kg...how can it weigh damn near as as much as that !

I just don't understand how it can be so much heavier than the 1450kg 130i 3 door...and I don't understand why that is so much heavier than the 1340kg 120i...

Pathetic.

There are a couple of E30 M3's I'm looking at, one with 250bhp+ and 1250kg...that's more like it.

This car will never be a successor to the E30 M3...at this rate the M version will be 1600kg!

[Propagator]

Originally Posted by eMINI

Interestingly, I'm now thinking that waiting for a 260 hp 130i coupe that hasn't been de-tuned might make a lot of sense for a more pure driver's car.

eMINI, glad you see it the way I see it. :biggrin:

EDIT: BTW, do you ever take your Mini to long trips? I know it won't be the best choice, but is it reasonably possible to take it on a 300 mile trip at all?

[BForbes]

Those of you having second thoughts because of weight. Great, it'll be easier for me to get one. I'm coming from a 2800lb 240hp s2000 and I certainly do not have a problem going to a 3300 pound 1series. They make 3500lb 335i feel like magic, this should be no less. It still weighs less than 350Z and weighs around the same as a Corvette.

[eMINI]

Originally Posted by spinzero

eMINI, glad you see it the way I see it. :biggrin:

EDIT: BTW, do you ever take your Mini to long trips? I know it won't be the best choice, but is it reasonably possible to take it on a 300 mile trip at all?

The MINI is fine for long trips. Fold down the rear seats, toss in luggage for two and hit the road. It's not a 7-series, but IMO it's just as good as the E36 M3 it replaced. However, my wife might not agree. The seats don't suit her as well after a few hours.

[larry lawless]

Originally Posted by onehots2k

Those of you having second thoughts because of weight. Great, it'll be easier for me to get one.

Yes, i am with you on that one.
And another thing..............just because this car might be a little heavier than some people where expecting it to be. It still will be one of the lightest bimmers or the lightest bimmer that is out now. And like it was said earlier bimmer make even their heaviest cars handle well, like the m5. Its no where near the lightest and yet quoting Jeremy Clarkson "the car feels and handles almost exactly like an F430". So the 1er should be excellent.

[danp]

Originally Posted by larry lawless

Yes, i am with you on that one.
And another thing..............just because this car might be a little heavier than some people where expecting it to be. It still will be one of the lightest bimmers or the lightest bimmer that is out now. And like it was said earlier bimmer make even their heaviest cars handle well, like the m5. Its no where near the lightest and yet quoting Jeremy Clarkson "the car feels and handles almost exactly like an F430". So the 1er should be excellent.

I wouldn't believe Jeremy Clarkson too much, he may be controversial and entertaining (to a degree) but he is not considered to know much about cars or driving ! :biggrin: