How sucessful is the 1er coupe as a follow up to the orignal 02?

TMK001 · 07-01-2007, 01:34 AM

Very nice... I lurk on the S14 sites as I am after a motor for my 2002... that car looks great. My pic above is the most current image I have of it in the stages of rebuild... time and money are hindering my attempts at getting it back on the road right now.

imported_tdc · 07-01-2007, 10:54 AM

I've stated it in other threads but I'll say it again.

Its my opinion the 1-series is simply taking over the category the 3-series used to occupy.

The E90 is almost the size of the E39 5-series. It's very obvious the 3-series has grown significantly over the past 2 generations and as such doesn't really represent the small, nimble, economical car the E21 and E30 stood for.

jt328i · 07-01-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tdc

I've stated it in other threads but I'll say it again.

Its my opinion the 1-series is simply taking over the category the 3-series used to occupy.

The E90 is almost the size of the E39 5-series. It's very obvious the 3-series has grown significantly over the past 2 generations and as such doesn't really represent the small, nimble, economical car the E21 and E30 stood for.

Toally agree. The 1-series coupe is more of an E46 coupe successor than the E92 3-series coupe. The E92 coupe is more like a baby 6-series wth the long, flowing profile. I'm sure there's a market for a car like that among BMW enthusiasts and non-enthusiasts, especiallly the hardtop convertible. I was in the market for a used E46 coupe, but the 1-series coupe is like an updated version of the E46 coupe and if the price is right, it's a done deal.

By the way, I love the sound of the 135i in the youtube videos. A 128i was going to be my 1-series of choice, but the 135i is giving me doubts. And of course it'll have the chrome window trim which I really go for. Ah, decisions, decisions... but this is life and life doesn't get any better than deciding on which 1-series to buy!

imported_tdc · 07-01-2007, 11:32 AM

A lot of people with E46's that didn't like the chrome trim would simply buy the M3 window trim and install it. (I did this on my 02 330Ci)

I'm pretty sure you're going to find a LOT of 128i owners out there that will trade you their chrome trim + cash for your black trim.

Advevo · 07-01-2007, 11:43 AM

I must say i am dissapointed in bmw.

First they bring a nice drivers car the CSL fantastic but with a price tag on it were you almost get hartattack off. Less weight less luxury is higher price because rich people will pay it anyway.

But were is the bmw for the drivers enthusiast. The e30.

Ok next try the new 1 series coupe. I was looking forward to that i dream about that car. A smaller drivers car with a proper engine in it for a nice price. That could be it. Ok here are the specs first i always look for is the weight. My dream was over in a blink of an eye 1560kg for a smaller car what should be a drivers car.

Every car which is above 1300kg you really feel and it s nimble and agile feeling is gone.

So up to the next dissapointment i quess the M1.

350 hp M1 at 1500 kg plus and again a price on it were you need to sell youre house for.

TMK001 · 07-01-2007, 11:47 AM

Some times you have to pay to play.

imported_tdc · 07-01-2007, 11:48 AM

Is that an official number for the weight?

jt328i · 07-01-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tdc

A lot of people with E46's that didn't like the chrome trim would simply buy the M3 window trim and install it. (I did this on my 02 330Ci)

I'm pretty sure you're going to find a LOT of 128i owners out there that will trade you their chrome trim + cash for your black trim.

I had a question on a previous topic about changing the window trim. tdc, how difficult is it to change? Can you give me a brief description of how you do it and how much it cost? Thanks man.

danp · 07-01-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Advevo

I must say i am dissapointed in bmw.

First they bring a nice drivers car the CSL fantastic but with a price tag on it were you almost get hartattack off. Less weight less luxury is higher price because rich people will pay it anyway.

But were is the bmw for the drivers enthusiast. The e30.

Ok next try the new 1 series coupe. I was looking forward to that i dream about that car. A smaller drivers car with a proper engine in it for a nice price. That could be it. Ok here are the specs first i always look for is the weight. My dream was over in a blink of an eye 1560kg for a smaller car what should be a drivers car.

Every car which is above 1300kg you really feel and it s nimble and agile feeling is gone.

So up to the next dissapointment i quess the M1.

350 hp M1 at 1500 kg plus and again a price on it were you need to sell youre house for.

Why not buy a secondhand CSL? (about the same price as a 135i - in the UK)

I will leave my name down for the M1, but cannot see that suddenly getting lighter - look at the M3 - 55kg more than the 335i.

I may well buy a very nice E30 M3 in the meantime.

jacilore · 07-01-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfsburgerMitFries

You know what, I'll agree with that. The 1 series is much more of a modern day take on the E30, not the 2002.

I agree very much on that.

Being the 1-series coupe not only heavier but longer than 2002, and even, than E30, for me it looks as a 2nd oportunity the destiny seems to have given to 3-series fate.

Considering that increase in measures, why seeing it more a 2002 succesor than a e30 reencarnation?

And also, why to see it more a successor of 2002 than e21 or e30 were?

P.S.: Apart from all that, I'm in love with this car, and I think it looks better than all the photoshops I have seen, apart from the following one, which was made long ago, and I think is nearly the exact image of what we are seeing now. Congratulations, Harold

krassanova · 07-01-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tdc

I've stated it in other threads but I'll say it again.

Its my opinion the 1-series is simply taking over the category the 3-series used to occupy.

The E90 is almost the size of the E39 5-series. It's very obvious the 3-series has grown significantly over the past 2 generations and as such doesn't really represent the small, nimble, economical car the E21 and E30 stood for.

I haven't read your opinion in other threads (i'm a noob here) but I think you are exactly right. The 3-series outgrew it's catagory, and now the 1-series is here to save the day, by recapturing market share from that mid-20K (USD) buyer and on. BMW did this briefly in the E46 Generation with the 323, but it didn't last long.

The 1-Series is a car unto itself, and is not a stripped down gutless version of the current 3-Series, and I believe that is why we are all here celebrating its impending arrival.

I'd love to see a modern take on the 2002 someday...I'm sure it would be a hot seller, but I'm sure it would cannibalize MINI sales like crazy, especially from the current new-gen R56 MINI...which isn't nearly as great as my R53 :wink:

Advevo · 07-01-2007, 02:55 PM

What do you suggest a 0.5 series.

I may well buy a very nice E30 M3 in the meantime maybe thats the best way.

imported_mega · 07-01-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jacilore

I agree very much on that.

Being the 1-series coupe not only heavier but longer than 2002, and even, than E30, for me it looks as a 2nd oportunity the destiny seems to have given to 3-series fate.

Considering that increase in measures, why seeing it more a 2002 succesor than a e30 reencarnation?

And also, why to see it more a successor of 2002 than e21 or e30 were?

P.S.: Apart from all that, I'm in love with this car, and I think it looks better than all the photoshops I have seen, apart from the following one, which was made long ago, and I think is nearly the exact image of what we are seeing now. Congratulations, Harold

this is mine, at least the window lines are not too far off

HarryPR · 07-01-2007, 03:42 PM

I am a newbie here, and a 2002 owner for the last 30 years. I have also owned E21, E30, E36 and E39 models.

The 1 series may or may not be the spiritual successor to the 2002, but in all these 30 years I have never seriously considered buying a new BMW, always buying them used. I am excited about the 135i due to its performance possibilities and will probably buy one in Schwarz, to match my current '02.

Harry

imported_tdc · 07-01-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jt328i

I had a question on a previous topic about changing the window trim. tdc, how difficult is it to change? Can you give me a brief description of how you do it and how much it cost? Thanks man.

I honestly can't remember what it cost. The labor involved wasn't that bad. Probably a couple of hours for both sides.

ibeam81 · 07-01-2007, 09:37 PM

In the early 80's I had the pleasure of spending some time in a friend's 2002 and it was truly a wondrous car. I then spent a long weekend with a friend's 318i and much to my dismay I found that the same magic just wasn't there for me. But in '84 I happened to pickup a copy of R&T that did a comparison of the new 325e and the Maserati Biturbo. This prompted me to run down to the local BMW dealer and they just happened to have a 325e identical to the one that R&T had tested. After a test drive I was in love and gladly signed on the dotted line.

In 8 months I drove over 22K miles and had a perpetual smile on my face. Unfortunately, when I then moved overseas I decided to sell the car. That was my last BMW, but to this day I've had a love for the 6 cylinder E30s above that of the newer 3 Series. Although the 3 Series since the E30 have been great cars they just haven't had the same effect on me.

IMHO the 135i is to the 325e in much the same way that the 325e was to the 2002. There is definitely a spiritual link, but the underpining technology has come a very long way. And although I toyed with the idea of searching for another E30, I must say that the 135i is the car that is the most likely to get me back into a BMW in over 20 years.

Brookside · 07-01-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Advevo

What do you suggest a 0.5 series.

Not only does he take great photos...he cracks great jokes.

danp · 07-02-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Brookside

Not only does he take great photos...he cracks great jokes.

Isn't that the MINI ?

TMK001 · 07-03-2007, 02:43 AM

All the 02faqer's here... hehehe.

ZweierCoupe · 07-05-2007, 04:18 AM

Since none of us has driven both the 2002 and 135i, it's hard to judge BMW's marketing claim, which is particularly evident at the BMW USA site. I would assume that those who were involved in developing this marketing pitch have indeed driven both these cars. However, if BMW is serious about following through with this comparison, it seems almost inevitable that they will have to offer the 135i (and only that model) in the same bright orange non-metallic color as the 2002 featured in the Internet ad -- perhaps as a special limited edition model with black interior only and standard package.

Who on this forum would consider buying such an orange car?

For the sake of comparison, perhaps somebody could provide measurements (LxWxH in millimeters) plus weight (kg) for the 2002, E30 (2.5 liter six cylinder).

ibeam81 · 07-05-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZweierCoupe

Since none of us has driven both the 2002 and 135i, it's hard to judge BMW's marketing claim, which is particularly evident at the BMW USA site. I would assume that those who were involved in developing this marketing pitch have indeed driven both these cars. However, if BMW is serious about following through with this comparison, it seems almost inevitable that they will have to offer the 135i (and only that model) in the same bright orange non-metallic color as the 2002 featured in the Internet ad -- perhaps as a special limited edition model with black interior only and standard package.

Who on this forum would consider buying such an orange car?

For the sake of comparison, perhaps somebody could provide measurements (LxWxH in millimeters) plus weight (kg) for the 2002, E30 (2.5 liter six cylinder).

The orange color on the 2002 is intriguing and certainly eye-catching, but I don't think that I could live with it longterm. It might be a good move from a marketing prospective for BMW to release a limited edition 135i with the 2002's orange/black color scheme.

Here are the dimensions and weight for an E30 325e:

L 176.8"
W 64.8"
H 54.3"
GVWR 3420 lbs

Genericuser1 · 07-05-2007, 11:56 AM

You really can't compare weights from cars in the past to today's cars. There are too many safety features and requirements that add a great deal of weight to modern cars. Also BMW is still a luxury manufacturer and a certain level of quality and luxury is expected from any BMW. This adds weigh as well.

Other than a few two-seat roadsters how many cars today are under 3,000lbs? The only one that comes to mine is what I own a Mazda RX8 and that is only if you get the sport model with less content. It doesn't have remotely the power of a 135/335 engine.

Sports coupes are niche vehicles and smaller or leaner 1 series would be even more niche. At the end of the day it's still about making money and the 1 series as it is now should make BMW a fair amount.

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imported_tdc Private First Class 13 Rep 188 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jun 2007 iTrader: (0)	A lot of people with E46's that didn't like the chrome trim would simply buy the M3 window trim and install it. (I did this on my 02 330Ci) I'm pretty sure you're going to find a LOT of 128i owners out there that will trade you their chrome trim + cash for your black trim. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Advevo Banned 581 Rep 1,170 Posts Drives: M2 Competition, E30 M3 DTM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Country where the taxes are too high!! iTrader: (0)	I must say i am dissapointed in bmw. First they bring a nice drivers car the CSL fantastic but with a price tag on it were you almost get hartattack off. Less weight less luxury is higher price because rich people will pay it anyway. But were is the bmw for the drivers enthusiast. The e30. Ok next try the new 1 series coupe. I was looking forward to that i dream about that car. A smaller drivers car with a proper engine in it for a nice price. That could be it. Ok here are the specs first i always look for is the weight. My dream was over in a blink of an eye 1560kg for a smaller car what should be a drivers car. Every car which is above 1300kg you really feel and it s nimble and agile feeling is gone. So up to the next dissapointment i quess the M1. 350 hp M1 at 1500 kg plus and again a price on it were you need to sell youre house for.
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HarryPR Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: Join Date: Jul 2007 iTrader: (0)	I am a newbie here, and a 2002 owner for the last 30 years. I have also owned E21, E30, E36 and E39 models. The 1 series may or may not be the spiritual successor to the 2002, but in all these 30 years I have never seriously considered buying a new BMW, always buying them used. I am excited about the 135i due to its performance possibilities and will probably buy one in Schwarz, to match my current '02. Harry
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ibeam81 Captain 20 Rep 722 Posts Drives: 2016 EBII M235i, 2004 Acura TL Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germantown, MD iTrader: (0)	Reminds me of my old 325e In the early 80's I had the pleasure of spending some time in a friend's 2002 and it was truly a wondrous car. I then spent a long weekend with a friend's 318i and much to my dismay I found that the same magic just wasn't there for me. But in '84 I happened to pickup a copy of R&T that did a comparison of the new 325e and the Maserati Biturbo. This prompted me to run down to the local BMW dealer and they just happened to have a 325e identical to the one that R&T had tested. After a test drive I was in love and gladly signed on the dotted line. In 8 months I drove over 22K miles and had a perpetual smile on my face. Unfortunately, when I then moved overseas I decided to sell the car. That was my last BMW, but to this day I've had a love for the 6 cylinder E30s above that of the newer 3 Series. Although the 3 Series since the E30 have been great cars they just haven't had the same effect on me. IMHO the 135i is to the 325e in much the same way that the 325e was to the 2002. There is definitely a spiritual link, but the underpining technology has come a very long way. And although I toyed with the idea of searching for another E30, I must say that the 135i is the car that is the most likely to get me back into a BMW in over 20 years.
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ZweierCoupe Private 9 Rep 82 Posts Drives: Join Date: Feb 2007 iTrader: (0)	Too Much Conjecture Since none of us has driven both the 2002 and 135i, it's hard to judge BMW's marketing claim, which is particularly evident at the BMW USA site. I would assume that those who were involved in developing this marketing pitch have indeed driven both these cars. However, if BMW is serious about following through with this comparison, it seems almost inevitable that they will have to offer the 135i (and only that model) in the same bright orange non-metallic color as the 2002 featured in the Internet ad -- perhaps as a special limited edition model with black interior only and standard package. Who on this forum would consider buying such an orange car? For the sake of comparison, perhaps somebody could provide measurements (LxWxH in millimeters) plus weight (kg) for the 2002, E30 (2.5 liter six cylinder).
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