Puncture

bfi2906 · 01-05-2010, 04:21 PM

I've had a read back over the various threads about fixing punctures in RFT's, but most are rather old now, and at the time it seemed inconclusive as to whether it's possible / advisable, and how successful a repair would be.

I've picked up a bolt/screw, but it's not losing air. I don't want to just pull it out in case it's the bolt/screw that's sealing it.

Can anyone that's had a repair done tell me how successful it's been. And can anyone in Sydney recommend someone that can and will repair a RFT.

TIA
B.

bfi2906 · 01-05-2010, 06:53 PM

Repaired - $48 fitted and rebalanced at Spinning Wheel in Waterloo.

Can't recommend them highly enough. They knew exactly what they were doing, and more importantly, made it clear what was possible and what was not possible, up front.

I wouldn't hesitate to go back.

dr.bmw · 01-05-2010, 10:57 PM

Certain run flats are not fixable after a puncture as per manufacturer's instructions. Especially if the puncture is old - something to do with the sidewall losing its strength. Other brands could be repaired, but also only if the tyre has been driven for less than 80 kms and with no visible damage. Repair is the same as conventional tyre and works just as well.

aus135i · 01-06-2010, 12:34 AM

i had a few puncture fixed on the OEM RFT, i had 2 in the back left and 1 in the back right, and i still took the car to a track day & a drive day,and had no problems with them,and yes it says u not suppose to repair them, but they were in the middle of the tire (like no where near the side walls).... my 2c

BMW86 · 01-06-2010, 12:39 AM

I had a puncture in my RFT but it was losing air. Whether you lose air or not, I would highly recommend replacing the tyre.

AussieRacer · 01-06-2010, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BMW86

I had a puncture in my RFT but it was losing air. Whether you lose air or not, I would highly recommend replacing the tyre.

Why?

takahashi · 01-06-2010, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieRacer

Why?

I also want to ask why?

I might not track my repaired tyre (my excuse of getting something better before hitting the track

). But I am very happy to drive them and repair them.

I agree though if it has been driven with no air for long period (ie the tyre has gone hot). It should be replaced as said before the side wall may have been damaged by heat.

bfi2906 · 01-06-2010, 07:33 PM

In my case, I only picked up the offending object yesterday morning, and it didn't seem to be deflating. The repair guys confirmed that it hadn't lost pressure, then put soapy water on it, and it showed no sign of bubbles. When they wiggled the object, it started to blow bubbles.

What this meant is that the object, while penetrating all the way through, was acting as a plug. But over time, it would have worn down and started to leak. Or come away completely, which would have been worse.

Under these circumstances, they had no hesitation in repairing it, because it hadn't run on low pressure at all.

takahashi · 03-28-2010, 06:04 PM

I have a puncture losing air today. I actually have 2 nails on the same tyre.

Both repaired. It seems fine for the 2km I drove.

No track day for me now since both rear have been repaired.

My car is a F@(&ing magnet

Timbo · 03-29-2010, 12:53 AM

Yep agree... I had three punctures in three different tires in the year and a bit I've had the car. The tyre manufacturer literature states that no run-flats should be repaired. But I've had no issues. The only time I did change the tire was when it lost air and was running on the sidewall. understandably this would put the tire at risk should there be another puncture in the future. If you have a puncture and there is no air loss, the repair would be the same as a repair on any other non-RFT. Cheap and effective.

05C4R · 03-29-2010, 12:56 AM

i have 3 plugs in mine and i go to the track with them, seem fine,

Jeef Beef · 03-29-2010, 08:20 AM

A friend with a 120i just got both rear tyres replaced with runflats - there was a nail in the left one WITHOUT any significant leaks.

JAX tyres told him "we cannot repair runflat tyres since it is against manufacturer instructions" and that he would have to get both tyres replaced for balance. Ended up costing him over $800 for bog standard 17 inches.

Looks like I won't be going to them anytime in the future...

d3syd · 03-29-2010, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeef Beef

JAX tyres told him "we cannot repair runflat tyres since it is against manufacturer instructions" and that he would have to get both tyres replaced for balance. Ended up costing him over $800 for bog standard 17 inches.

Looks like I won't be going to them anytime in the future...

Sounds like a convenient excuse to sell a couple of tyres.

oldman · 03-29-2010, 12:22 PM

Straight from Bridgestone...

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/warranty/Warranty_US_EN.pdf

RFT tires are not repairable in any of the following situations:
• If the tire was operated with in

fl ation pressure less than
15 psi (100 kPa).
• Abrasion or other damage is present on the exterior tread,
sidewall or bead areas.
• Abrasion, wrinkling, or separation is present on the tire
interior.
• Any condition or damage is present that disqualifi es
repair of a conventional tire.
Run-Flat Certifi ed Retailers will fully inspect your tire,
inside and out, to determine if the tire can be repaired. Tire
damage is not always visible from the outside and the tire
must be removed from the wheel for a complete inspection.

For more information, see “Tire Repairs” in this manual.

Also...
http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/10/06/feature-can-you-repair-run-flat-tires.htm

d3syd · 03-29-2010, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman

Straight from Bridgestone...

http://www.bridgestonetire.com/warranty/Warranty_US_EN.pdf

RFT tires are not repairable in any of the following situations:

• If the tire was operated with in

fl ation pressure less than

15 psi (100 kPa).
• Abrasion or other damage is present on the exterior tread,
sidewall or bead areas.
• Abrasion, wrinkling, or separation is present on the tire
interior.
• Any condition or damage is present that disquali

fi es

repair of a conventional tire.
Run-Flat Certi

fi ed Retailers will fully inspect your tire,

inside and out, to determine if the tire can be repaired. Tire
damage is not always visible from the outside and the tire
must be removed from the wheel for a complete inspection.

For more information, see “Tire Repairs” in this manual.

Also...
http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/1...flat-tires.htm

There you go.

That's why I bought a BMW mobility kit. If I get a puncture I plan to keep pumping the tyre up as soon as a leak is detected until I can get it repaired.

takahashi · 03-29-2010, 06:46 PM

Got non BMW one. Will carry that one from now on.

bmw233 · 04-01-2010, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takahashi

I also want to ask why?

I might not track my repaired tyre (my excuse of getting something better before hitting the track

). But I am very happy to drive them and repair them.

I agree though if it has been driven with no air for long period (ie the tyre has gone hot). It should be replaced as said before the side wall may have been damaged by heat.

Check your car insurance details. Apparently it is void if such a tyre is repaired and not replaced - if you have an accident and they inspect the tyre!
The good news is that Bridgestone have now released RFTs that CAN be repaired (wonder what took them so long..)

AussieRacer · 04-01-2010, 09:10 PM

RFTs have always been able to be repaired. Tyre places have just been spreading myths

bmw233 · 04-02-2010, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieRacer

RFTs have always been able to be repaired. Tyre places have just been spreading myths

Of course; "non-repairable" RFT's could hypothetically be repaired, and tyre places will admit it's technically possible, but that's not the issue. Your insurance cover on the other hand is..

takahashi · 04-03-2010, 06:55 PM

There is no written rules in the product disclosure from

Shannon
http://www.shannons.com.au/downloads/motor2009-pds.pdf

or

AAMI
http://www.aami.com.au/policy-docume...nce-policy.pdf

Not sure where it said about insurance risk

oneill3 · 04-06-2010, 05:42 PM

My rear just started to get a leak. I've taken it straight to Bridgestone in the Valley (Brisbane) and they said they can't repair it because it says on the tyre "not to repair".

They want to charge me $750 for a new tyre!

If I don't buy Run Flats then I have to buy 4 new tyres.

I happy to repair it but I don't know anyone that will do it? Does anyone know of someone in Brisbane that can help?

Also, anyone recommend where I can get a good price on a new Run Flat or set of non-RFT? What should I expect to pay for new RFT or 4 new non-RFT?

bmw233 · 04-06-2010, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oneill3

My rear just started to get a leak. I've taken it straight to Bridgestone in the Valley (Brisbane) and they said they can't repair it because it says on the tyre "not to repair".

They want to charge me $750 for a new tyre!

If I don't buy Run Flats then I have to buy 4 new tyres.

I happy to repair it but I don't know anyone that will do it? Does anyone know of someone in Brisbane that can help?

Also, anyone recommend where I can get a good price on a new Run Flat or set of non-RFT? What should I expect to pay for new RFT or 4 new non-RFT?

I paid $695 for a left rear new Bridgestone RFT (now repairable!) last week. Buying four new non-RFTs will cost a lot more. The 'official dealers' will advise that they will not attempt to fix a tyre that is 'legally' not to be repaired. You might get it done elsewhere (?), but in an accident your insurance may be void (especially if they check the bogus tyre).
The good news with new repairable RFTs is that any new puncture can be fixed for only about $30

01-05-2010, 04:21 PM	#1
bfi2906 Captain 35 Rep 685 Posts Drives: 135 Coupe Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sydney iTrader: (0)	Puncture I've had a read back over the various threads about fixing punctures in RFT's, but most are rather old now, and at the time it seemed inconclusive as to whether it's possible / advisable, and how successful a repair would be. I've picked up a bolt/screw, but it's not losing air. I don't want to just pull it out in case it's the bolt/screw that's sealing it. Can anyone that's had a repair done tell me how successful it's been. And can anyone in Sydney recommend someone that can and will repair a RFT. TIA B.
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bfi2906 Captain 35 Rep 685 Posts Drives: 135 Coupe Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sydney iTrader: (0)	Repaired - $48 fitted and rebalanced at Spinning Wheel in Waterloo. Can't recommend them highly enough. They knew exactly what they were doing, and more importantly, made it clear what was possible and what was not possible, up front. I wouldn't hesitate to go back.
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dr.bmw Chirurgeon 39 Rep 424 Posts Drives: 125i AW/CR Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: randwick iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 125i [10.00]	Certain run flats are not fixable after a puncture as per manufacturer's instructions. Especially if the puncture is old - something to do with the sidewall losing its strength. Other brands could be repaired, but also only if the tyre has been driven for less than 80 kms and with no visible damage. Repair is the same as conventional tyre and works just as well. __________________ E Pluribus Unum
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aus135i Captain 27 Rep 828 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SYD iTrader: (0)	i had a few puncture fixed on the OEM RFT, i had 2 in the back left and 1 in the back right, and i still took the car to a track day & a drive day,and had no problems with them,and yes it says u not suppose to repair them, but they were in the middle of the tire (like no where near the side walls).... my 2c __________________ GONE: E82,E83,K46,1199s,RS250,F20,F25,F82,Cayenne,G83 NOW: G07, G20, K66
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BMW86 Major General 398 Rep 9,156 Posts Drives: RS3 Sedan / Macan S Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	I had a puncture in my RFT but it was losing air. Whether you lose air or not, I would highly recommend replacing the tyre.
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01-06-2010, 07:33 PM	#8
bfi2906 Captain 35 Rep 685 Posts Drives: 135 Coupe Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sydney iTrader: (0)	In my case, I only picked up the offending object yesterday morning, and it didn't seem to be deflating. The repair guys confirmed that it hadn't lost pressure, then put soapy water on it, and it showed no sign of bubbles. When they wiggled the object, it started to blow bubbles. What this meant is that the object, while penetrating all the way through, was acting as a plug. But over time, it would have worn down and started to leak. Or come away completely, which would have been worse. Under these circumstances, they had no hesitation in repairing it, because it hadn't run on low pressure at all.
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03-28-2010, 06:04 PM	#9
takahashi Retired trackie 36 Rep 1,527 Posts Drives: 1///M Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	I have a puncture losing air today. I actually have 2 nails on the same tyre. Both repaired. It seems fine for the 2km I drove. No track day for me now since both rear have been repaired. My car is a F@(&ing magnet __________________ TAKA 一仔BLOGブログ: BMW 1 series M 2011! Delivered 18/11/11.
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03-29-2010, 12:53 AM	#10
Timbo First Lieutenant 4 Rep 302 Posts Drives: BMW 135 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	Yep agree... I had three punctures in three different tires in the year and a bit I've had the car. The tyre manufacturer literature states that no run-flats should be repaired. But I've had no issues. The only time I did change the tire was when it lost air and was running on the sidewall. understandably this would put the tire at risk should there be another puncture in the future. If you have a puncture and there is no air loss, the repair would be the same as a repair on any other non-RFT. Cheap and effective.
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05C4R Major 62 Rep 1,147 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: sydney iTrader: (0)	i have 3 plugs in mine and i go to the track with them, seem fine,
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03-29-2010, 08:20 AM	#12
Jeef Beef Lord Captain Commander 110 Rep 3,093 Posts Drives: a sleeper Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	A friend with a 120i just got both rear tyres replaced with runflats - there was a nail in the left one WITHOUT any significant leaks. JAX tyres told him "we cannot repair runflat tyres since it is against manufacturer instructions" and that he would have to get both tyres replaced for balance. Ended up costing him over $800 for bog standard 17 inches. Looks like I won't be going to them anytime in the future... __________________ E82 135i M-sport: SGM/6MT/Black
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03-29-2010, 12:22 PM	#14
oldman . 31 Rep 439 Posts Drives: 09 135i AW Coupe Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NSW Australia iTrader: (0)	Straight from Bridgestone... http://www.bridgestonetire.com/warranty/Warranty_US_EN.pdf RFT tires are not repairable in any of the following situations: • If the tire was operated with in fl ation pressure less than 15 psi (100 kPa). • Abrasion or other damage is present on the exterior tread, sidewall or bead areas. • Abrasion, wrinkling, or separation is present on the tire interior. • Any condition or damage is present that disqualifi es repair of a conventional tire. Run-Flat Certifi ed Retailers will fully inspect your tire, inside and out, to determine if the tire can be repaired. Tire damage is not always visible from the outside and the tire must be removed from the wheel for a complete inspection. For more information, see “Tire Repairs” in this manual. Also... http://www.canadiandriver.com/2009/10/06/feature-can-you-repair-run-flat-tires.htm __________________ __________________ MY09 135i AW \| Manual \| Pro NAV \| CA \| Logic 7 Hi Fi \| BMW Performance Exhaust \| BMS Dual Intake \| iCarbon CF Rear Diffuser \|
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takahashi Retired trackie 36 Rep 1,527 Posts Drives: 1///M Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	Got non BMW one. Will carry that one from now on. __________________ TAKA 一仔BLOGブログ: BMW 1 series M 2011! Delivered 18/11/11.
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AussieRacer Major 24 Rep 1,058 Posts Drives: 2008 135i Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Aust iTrader: (0)	RFTs have always been able to be repaired. Tyre places have just been spreading myths __________________ Current: 135i Auto, Le Mans Blue - w/ Bridgestone RE-11 rears, GP Thunder 7500k angels, & "golf tee" mod plus a few M3 suspension bits and pieces...
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takahashi Retired trackie 36 Rep 1,527 Posts Drives: 1///M Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia iTrader: (0)	There is no written rules in the product disclosure from Shannon http://www.shannons.com.au/downloads/motor2009-pds.pdf or AAMI http://www.aami.com.au/policy-docume...nce-policy.pdf Not sure where it said about insurance risk __________________ TAKA 一仔BLOGブログ: BMW 1 series M 2011! Delivered 18/11/11.
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04-06-2010, 05:42 PM	#21
oneill3 Private 5 Rep 99 Posts Drives: 135i Coupe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane iTrader: (0)	My rear just started to get a leak. I've taken it straight to Bridgestone in the Valley (Brisbane) and they said they can't repair it because it says on the tyre "not to repair". They want to charge me $750 for a new tyre! If I don't buy Run Flats then I have to buy 4 new tyres. I happy to repair it but I don't know anyone that will do it? Does anyone know of someone in Brisbane that can help? Also, anyone recommend where I can get a good price on a new Run Flat or set of non-RFT? What should I expect to pay for new RFT or 4 new non-RFT? __________________ "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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