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And I don't think it's unreasonable to have an expectation of reliability when spending this much on an automobile. If I spent $50k on a 135i, I'd be pretty upset if it had powertrain issues within the first couple of years of ownership. A mechanical LSD would require periodic maintenance, so there's a bit of extra cost there, but it would be unlikely to fail, I think. A turbo, on the other hand, is practically guaranteed to fail during the vehicle's useful service life. And they're not cheap to replace. I'm not sure why you seem to regard this as some sort of judgemental 135i bashing. It's just the simple truth. I have never made any statement about one car or engine being "better" than the other, just that they are "different."
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Incidentally, I seem to recall several threads with turbos being replaced (the entire unit) around 80k miles. Could be a fluke, or could be a developing pattern.
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I suppose you could call me 'old fashioned' at the age of 25, but my side of the coin tells a different story. I've had 3 Audi's too. Sister currently drives a GTi and my mom bumbles around town in an e93 335i. You're actually talking to someone who used to idolize turbo engines. Believe me, I get it. Easy tune-ability, addicting amounts of torque, and a technology right for tomorrow. I just never had your luck, and neither has the rest of my family. Power loss, heat soak, stuttering, surging, ticking noises, bad injectors, oil/carbon build up, and a blown turbo to name a few. Understand that, in my personal experience, the only cars we've ever had major problems with were turbocharged. If it were a comparison of my driving style and maintenance upkeep, I also have an e46 with 171k miles that won't even hiccup. I just stick to what I know, guys. And I can't help but argue the more I drive N/A the more I enjoy it. I'm not apologetic about that too. I suppose just got tired of turbocharged cars. ...hence why I bought a 128i (yay this thread is back on topic!). To the trolls, enjoy. |
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More power/torque 128: more linear power delivery no lag more reliable significantly lighter (better handling) It's not even close-- I have exactly zero desire for a 135i, but the 128i is an awesome little car. Sadly, the 128i is the last car BMW makes that I would enjoy owning. Sad transition from 11 years ago, when I wanted one of everything they made.
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I would reluctantly agree.
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I ordered my 128i because it's a bulletproof design. The last of the 20th C. classic BMWs.
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S54 217 kg N54 195 kg N52 161 kg S65 202 kg Last edited by BrokenVert; 06-18-2013 at 02:42 PM.. Reason: added S65 |
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That's the engine, but not counting the turbo plumbing/turbos. Seeing as the N54 wouldn't make its power without, it is a bit disingenuous to the discussion.
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Per BMW, 6spd 128i is 3208lbs with a 50.5/49.5 % weight distribution
And a 6spd 135i is 3373lbs distributed 51.6/48.4% 5.2% weight difference, shifted 1.1% further forward. Yes it's different, but is it really a leading reason to choose one car over the other? Perhaps it is. Perhaps it's not nearly as much as some people think. |
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Also, lets be genuine. The N54 is factory tuned to make 330ish bhp. The S54 in its most powerful street application was 340ish hp. Thats a wash in terms of power and it makes no difference. So for all intents and purposes they make the same power. I also recall Scott saying that BMW toyed with the idea of putting an S54 in the 1M, but decided that the S54 was too heavy for the car, and disrupted the weight distribution, in turn messing with handling. Last edited by BrokenVert; 06-18-2013 at 03:49 PM.. |
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The N52 actually weights 148 kg* = 326 lb,
If the N54 weights complete at 195 kg = 430 lb, That's close to a 100 lb difference over the front axel alone - are we really being that naive about that? That's a lot of weight taken off a pivotal point in the car. I could never imagine opening my engine bay, and squeezing the weight of half a full sized adult in there. *I'll source Ward's over your wikipedia entries any day: "The all-aluminum N20 I-4 is about 22 lbs. (10 kg) lighter than the N52. Overall, the engine weighs 304 lbs." (138 kg). Last edited by Dafttt; 06-18-2013 at 04:17 PM.. Reason: Source |
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The 128i is clearly the better BMW. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
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Man, these 135i guys really can't stand it when the help gets all uppity and starts appreciating their little old 128i's.
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You guys are unreal. The last 5 posts are from 128i owners. I think you guys shoud start a thread "Why I Chose a 128i vs a 1M". You can tell them how much more reliable your car is. How you can feel the difference in engine weight. How you a more linear throttle. How your car is better balanced. That would be just a little more funny than this comparison.
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