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12-30-2005, 05:45 PM | #1 |
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US v. UK 325i
These are the specs on the respective models. It looks like BMW uses different engines in the 325i in Europe and the US. I found it pretty peculair
U.S. 3.0L Inline 6 215hp @ 6250rpm 185lb/ft @ 2750rpm 0-60: 6.7(manual), 7.2(auto) UK 2.5L Inline 6 218hp @ 6500rpm 185lb/ft @ 2750 rpm 0-60: 7.0(manual), 7.7(auto)
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12-30-2005, 05:55 PM | #2 |
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Been thousands of threads on this since it was known in January 2005
USA gets a detuned 3.0L engine For many reasons Do a search, you will get many threads showing exact differences |
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wait a sec. so the 2.5L still makes 218HP?
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But do remember the USA and europe do have slight variations if HP measureing |
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12-30-2005, 06:58 PM | #6 |
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Asia gets the same 2.5L spec as UK.
RHD are made in SA. 218hp , yes, for same displacement, E90 325i has produced 26hp more than the E36 325i's 192hp. 2.5L consumes less fuel and much lower import tax for many Asia countries. It is the 'perfect' 325i specification goes to 2.5L , not the USA detuned 3.0L. May be just USA fuel and car tax are low or in marketing view point, USA buyers are more attracted to larger displacement?
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Didn't you know?
the bigger the displacement, the bigger your dick is
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The US 325i has more torque below 2750rpm than the UK one does, which I guess explains the lower 0-60 times, especially for the auto. However, the UK spec 325i's three stage intake manifold makes the UK 325 hurl up to the redline once you pass 4000rpm!
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12-31-2005, 12:08 PM | #12 |
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So the new 2.5 inline 6 is as powerful as the detuned 3.0 inline 6. Hm... now thats a mechanical miracle. Thats why we buy BMW's because they amaze us with automotive engineering.
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12-31-2005, 11:27 PM | #13 |
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BMW's 2.5l engine makes nearly as much power (160 vs 175kw) as Holden's V6 3.6L used in our local Commodore (the base donor car for the Pontiac GTO, or our Holden Monaro).
Not so long ago, Holden sold a 5.0 V8 which did 165kw, of course it would out torque a 2.5l engine though...
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Comparisons like this have always been interesting from a marketing standpoint. It would be even more interesting to be privy to the thoughts of the decision makers who determine which models do and don't appear in certain regions (e.g., why the 1-series, cloth or M-sport e90 models are not sold in the U.S.).
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Yeah to what you all said!!!
The 2.5 litre engine is a gem The 3.0 litre engine is a gem + My car jumps off the mark VERY quickly when requested. Low down torque is very good.
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My guess is that (probably until recently when fuel prices hiked) people in the US did not like small cars (hence no 1 Series) or small engines. I Think the detuned 3.0 is just a "size" thing, as there appears to be little gain in having it and having another engine variation beyond that. North America is a big market for BMW so there are the economies of scale to do bespoke models for that market. Same in reverse for the Euro market. They have an engine that still delivers the same goods, but is a smaller capacity engine and therefore more palatable in markets where smaller engine sizes are preferred due to fuel costs, taxes and the like. I think the 323 engine is just because it is easier and cheaper to strip features off an engine and detune it, than to do another casting for another capacity.
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My feeling about M-sport is that the ultra-critical American public would simply marr the "M" marque with criticism about how this largely cosmetic option would not live up to the performance of an "M" model, and hence the name. Once the e90 M3 is released, it might be safer to offer the M-sport on the 325/330i or whatever permutation exists at that point. Target market demographics probably also play a huge role in deciding what NOT to saturate the market with. In reading the polls on e90post, it is interesting to see how many young drivers actually own 3-series cars. A 1-series model offering might therefore dilute interest in the 3-series among younger buyers, which might be risky during the e90 introductory year. Furthermore, competition for the 1-series class is stiff with the VW, Audi, and other Japanese offerings. Perhaps BMW USA wouldn't want to introduce anything that might have the public question its Ultimate Driving Machine image? For instance, many have criticized Mercedes for introducing American made C-series that have been perceived by many as a "cheap" Mercedes line, thus marring the top quality, top-notch Mercedes image and its exclusivity. I know many reading this will beg to disagree with some of what I am saying here, but this is a forum open to discussion, and I'm not afraid to assert my opinions, even if they are mostly conjecture. Last edited by ksfrogman; 01-02-2006 at 02:04 PM.. |
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I heard it has to do with cost - the homologation cost of a new 3.0 litre engine and a separate 2.5 litre engine have been reduced by having one engine size, detuned for marketing purposes (the 325 and -in Canada- the 323). In Europe, there is more of a market for the lower displacement engines AND fuel economy of the 2.5 litre (the real one) is much more of a selling factor than here.
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