Advan performance, 135i/335i "Nashin BBK".

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by sparoz

At least you don' have anything else to say it seems



Ed: thanks justin for that clarification, muchly reassured

- i'll check out the .com.tw website when i get to my computer too just to compare

Thanks again

Ed2: i agree with above, sure there are $7,000 brembo/stoptech options, and i'm sure they'll perform somewhat better.. But for half the price i'm pretty convinced the nashin kit will perform far more than half as well.. And i'm assuming significantly better than oe 135i brakes too.. Sure, if i was made of money, i'd go buy one of them no worries.. But... Yeah.. Lol.

Honesty the only thing i dislike is the inability to select other manufacturers pads (and rotors to a lesser extent).

[sparoz]

Originally Posted by flinchy

At least you don' have anything else to say it seems

No point.

[pavo335]

I have had the Nashins on the car for about a month now and after the initial bed in and half a track day i can confirm the following.

1. dust - i'd say on par if not slightly better than stock
2. noise - cold or hot with the sport pads none
3. cold braking - same as stock, no noticable difference
4. hot braking - better, much better
5. track braking - very little fade at wakefield even after a back to back session (the sessions were only about 10 min each)
6. stopping distance - well this is a little hard as the front (pss) tyres had already seen 5 or 6 track days and there was more than a little sledding, but i would comfortably say the braking distance is 3/4 that of stock.

Overall they may not have the brand cachet of brembo or AP but IMHO these are just as good.


I have a track day at EC on the GP circuit next tuesday and i have just got a set of R888's so i will push as hard as ever and see what sort of times i can get with this setup and let you chaps know, but i am expecting great results.

[BMW86]

Originally Posted by pavo335

I have had the Nashins on the car for about a month now and after the initial bed in and half a track day i can confirm the following.

1. dust - i'd say on par if not slightly better than stock
2. noise - cold or hot with the sport pads none
3. cold braking - same as stock, no noticable difference
4. hot braking - better, much better
5. track braking - very little fade at wakefield even after a back to back session (the sessions were only about 10 min each)
6. stopping distance - well this is a little hard as the front (pss) tyres had already seen 5 or 6 track days and there was more than a little sledding, but i would comfortably say the braking distance is 3/4 that of stock.

Overall they may not have the brand cachet of brembo or AP but IMHO these are just as good.


I have a track day at EC on the GP circuit next tuesday and i have just got a set of R888's so i will push as hard as ever and see what sort of times i can get with this setup and let you chaps know, but i am expecting great results.

Nice review Paul. Sounds like the Nashins are doing the job well, but I'm surprised you still get brake fade with your 380mm rotor setup. Brake distance at 3/4 is a very decent improvement though. Keen to hear your impressions after the new rubber goes on.

[flinchy]

Originally Posted by BMW86

Nice review Paul. Sounds like the Nashins are doing the job well, but I'm surprised you still get brake fade with your 380mm rotor setup. Brake distance at 3/4 is a very decent improvement though. Keen to hear your impressions after the new rubber goes on.

the fade part, at these sizes/pads... that's pretty surprising to me?

isn't really the main goal of the BBK's to eliminate fade as that's the only real weakness (besides durability) of the OEM setup?

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by BMW86

Nice review Paul. Sounds like the Nashins are doing the job well, but I'm surprised you still get brake fade with your 380mm rotor setup. Brake distance at 3/4 is a very decent improvement though. Keen to hear your impressions after the new rubber goes on.

TBH it could have been the tyres not the brakes, but assuming the weather is good next week and I have no other issues EC should be a good and propper work out for brakes and i'll let you know.

[BMW86]

Originally Posted by pavo335

TBH it could have been the tyres not the brakes, but assuming the weather is good next week and I have no other issues EC should be a good and propper work out for brakes and i'll let you know.

I'm not sure how you could mistake the 2 tbh, brake fade is very specific when I've encountered it. Is your pedal spongey/mushy? What fluid are you running?

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by BMW86

I'm not sure how you could mistake the 2 tbh, brake fade is very specific when I've encountered it. Is your pedal spongey/mushy? What fluid are you running?

ahh no pedel fade then same same all day (well half day). althoug the brake pedal feel is different to the oem, which was like a rock in the mornings and pumping like the gym in the afternoon, the new brake have a softer pedal feel but consistant.

[BMW86]

Originally Posted by pavo335

ahh no pedel fade then same same all day (well half day). althoug the brake pedal feel is different to the oem, which was like a rock in the mornings and pumping like the gym in the afternoon, the new brake have a softer pedal feel but consistant.

Sounds like it's doing it's job. The OEM setup has a really strong bite (which I personally like) whereas most aftermarket pads are more progressive and linear.

[choppedliver]

Originally Posted by pavo335

6. stopping distance - well this is a little hard as the front (pss) tyres had already seen 5 or 6 track days and there was more than a little sledding, but i would comfortably say the braking distance is 3/4 that of stock.
.

Sorry to ask but how does this happen? Assuming no fade I'd assume the stock calipers will be able to lock the wheels (i.e. kick in the ABS) when stopping and therefore the stopping distance is determined purely by the tyres not the calipers/disc. Fade of course will have a negative effect for the stock calipers.

Thanks

B

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by choppedliver

Sorry to ask but how does this happen? Assuming no fade I'd assume the stock calipers will be able to lock the wheels (i.e. kick in the ABS) when stopping and therefore the stopping distance is determined purely by the tyres not the calipers/disc. Fade of course will have a negative effect for the stock calipers.

Thanks

B

yep the abs was working overtime on turn 2 and turn 10 (effectively the end and beginning of the main straight) once the tyres got hot, and then i was sledding through the corners.

I guess what i was saying is to date i am very happy but I wont know for sure untill i get the new front rubber. This I have now in a set of 235 r888's so EC next week will be a better test of the brake's abilities, plus EC is a much faster track so, with the added grip i will be able to say for certain if there is any fade and to what extent.

[choppedliver]

Originally Posted by pavo335

yep the abs was working overtime on turn 2 and turn 10 (effectively the end and beginning of the main straight) once the tyres got hot, and then i was sledding through the corners.

I guess what i was saying is to date i am very happy but I wont know for sure untill i get the new front rubber. This I have now in a set of 235 r888's so EC next week will be a better test of the brake's abilities, plus EC is a much faster track so, with the added grip i will be able to say for certain if there is any fade and to what extent.

Excellent. Be interested to see the results. Not that I track my car.

B

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by choppedliver

Excellent. Be interested to see the results. Not that I track my car.

B

Honestly if your not pushing the car you dont need brakes, suspension etc

[TimMc]

Originally Posted by choppedliver

Sorry to ask but how does this happen? Assuming no fade I'd assume the stock calipers will be able to lock the wheels (i.e. kick in the ABS) when stopping and therefore the stopping distance is determined purely by the tyres not the calipers/disc. Fade of course will have a negative effect for the stock calipers.

Thanks

B

Amen to this. So many car "tests" review brakes by testing braking distance. All they're really doing is testing tyres. Testing this (and brake pedal feel) after after several hot laps is a different story...

[pavo335]

I went to the ARDC track day yesterday (good to meet you alex/dad and uncle, hope you finished ok)at EC which was set on the 'long circuit' as opposed to the GP curcuit. The Long circuit is much more technical and demanding than the GP curcuit.

The ambient temps hit over 35 Deg so it was a hot one out there yesterday, with a couple of local cars pulling out due to heat after the second session. I made it to the 4th before i started getting a persistant limp (it could have been the first heat induced limp as oil was getting over 140) and i pulled in early.

I started the 5th session and on the 3rd lap mid way through turn 1 I lost all power , when i managed to come to a stop i realised the engine had just cut out an required a full ignition off and on before the car would start.

Well by this time I figured that was hint 2 and I was not real interested in what hint 3 was going to be so I packed up and went home. Why am I saying all this in a brake thread??????

Well this was the first REAL test I have hada chance to put the new Nashins through and I can say WOW. ZERO brake fade on a very warm day with new R888's on the front (which by the way i also highly rate). They stopped from the first corner to the last, with never a hesitation. In fact I pushed them 50% harder than the stockers (which imho are pretty decent on the 335) and they still have more to give.

My only regret is that I should have gone for the smaller size up front so I could get an 18' rim on, so I would have a wider selection of tyres.

[froop]

Originally Posted by pavo335

I went to the ARDC track day yesterday (good to meet you alex/dad and uncle, hope you finished ok)at EC which was set on the 'long circuit' as opposed to the GP curcuit. The Long circuit is much more technical and demanding than the GP curcuit.

The ambient temps hit over 35 Deg so it was a hot one out there yesterday, with a couple of local cars pulling out due to heat after the second session. I made it to the 4th before i started getting a persistant limp (it could have been the first heat induced limp as oil was getting over 140) and i pulled in early.

I started the 5th session and on the 3rd lap mid way through turn 1 I lost all power , when i managed to come to a stop i realised the engine had just cut out an required a full ignition off and on before the car would start.

Well by this time I figured that was hint 2 and I was not real interested in what hint 3 was going to be so I packed up and went home. Why am I saying all this in a brake thread??????

Well this was the first REAL test I have hada chance to put the new Nashins through and I can say WOW. ZERO brake fade on a very warm day with new R888's on the front (which by the way i also highly rate). They stopped from the first corner to the last, with never a hesitation. In fact I pushed them 50% harder than the stockers (which imho are pretty decent on the 335) and they still have more to give.

My only regret is that I should have gone for the smaller size up front so I could get an 18' rim on, so I would have a wider selection of tyres.

Glad you're liking your new brakes!

Just out of curiosity, is your car your DD? How are the R888's in the wet and for daily driving?

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by froop

Glad you're liking your new brakes!

Just out of curiosity, is your car your DD? How are the R888's in the wet and for daily driving?

firstly get back on the right side of the roseville bridge, its not safe out there!

Yeh car is DD, but the r888's are only for track i have another set of VMR's with michelin pss (yes they are kerbed as well )

i wouldn't/couldn't drive with the r888's as a DD they sound like a truck.

if you have 18's from what i hear the hankook's have a good range of tyres and are just as good

[choppedliver]

Originally Posted by TimMc

Amen to this. So many car "tests" review brakes by testing braking distance. All they're really doing is testing tyres. Testing this (and brake pedal feel) after after several hot laps is a different story...

HTH ;-)

[froop]

Originally Posted by pavo335

firstly get back on the right side of the roseville bridge, its not safe out there!

Yeh car is DD, but the r888's are only for track i have another set of VMR's with michelin pss (yes they are kerbed as well )

i wouldn't/couldn't drive with the r888's as a DD they sound like a truck.

if you have 18's from what i hear the hankook's have a good range of tyres and are just as good

Haha what side? Aren't you close to me and Edwin?

Hmmm I'm not sure if I'm up for changing wheels all the time so sounds like R888's aren't for me haha.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by froop

Haha what side? Aren't you close to me and Edwin?

Hmmm I'm not sure if I'm up for changing wheels all the time so sounds like R888's aren't for me haha.

I'm at forry

You do not want r888's for daily drive, I'd suggest pss

[05C4R]

Originally Posted by pavo335

I went to the ARDC track day yesterday (good to meet you alex/dad and uncle, hope you finished ok)at EC which was set on the 'long circuit' as opposed to the GP curcuit. The Long circuit is much more technical and demanding than the GP curcuit.

The ambient temps hit over 35 Deg so it was a hot one out there yesterday, with a couple of local cars pulling out due to heat after the second session. I made it to the 4th before i started getting a persistant limp (it could have been the first heat induced limp as oil was getting over 140) and i pulled in early.

I started the 5th session and on the 3rd lap mid way through turn 1 I lost all power , when i managed to come to a stop i realised the engine had just cut out an required a full ignition off and on before the car would start.

Well by this time I figured that was hint 2 and I was not real interested in what hint 3 was going to be so I packed up and went home. Why am I saying all this in a brake thread??????

Well this was the first REAL test I have hada chance to put the new Nashins through and I can say WOW. ZERO brake fade on a very warm day with new R888's on the front (which by the way i also highly rate). They stopped from the first corner to the last, with never a hesitation. In fact I pushed them 50% harder than the stockers (which imho are pretty decent on the 335) and they still have more to give.

My only regret is that I should have gone for the smaller size up front so I could get an 18' rim on, so I would have a wider selection of tyres.

nice to meet you too Paul, i have not followed any of this thread until now so i cannot comment on the brakes but after following your car on tuesday, its a BEAST, brakes look good too. They do have a massive circumference however.

by the way, my car is STILL in limp mode, lol, its going to the dealer tomorrow, just had to clean all the track debris off it and change the wheels.

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by beemer

nice to meet you too Paul, i have not followed any of this thread until now so i cannot comment on the brakes but after following your car on tuesday, its a BEAST, brakes look good too. They do have a massive circumference however.

by the way, my car is STILL in limp mode, lol, its going to the dealer tomorrow, just had to clean all the track debris off it and change the wheels.

Noooooo not beast, a fairy just died

Yeh good to meet the family

Sorry to hear bout the limp, yeh a little cleanup would be a good idea.
Did you take dads car for a run?