Warranty is Gone

akak1997 · 12-15-2008, 12:15 AM

If you're 90% sure that it's the low pressure fuel pump that's faulty and causes the problem then I'd fight it. It'd be easy for BMW to check that fuel pump and see if it's causing problem (I think). It'd be BS to blame O2 sim and SSTT mod to a low pressure fuel pump failure.

Riss Racing · 12-15-2008, 12:22 AM

Tunes such as Vishnu, and BMS. Have taken the extra steps to ensure their tunes would not trip this. They also run all these aftermarket bolt ons. This is why I always suggest these tunes, since they are actively engaged in updates and newly released products....

Pirate · 12-15-2008, 12:25 AM

When I took delivery of my 135i, I had to sign a statement that I would not tamper with the stock emissions system.

akak1997 · 12-15-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pirate

When I took delivery of my 135i, I had to sign a statement that I would not tamper with the stock emissions system.

I don't think you can sign away your rights.

Pirate · 12-15-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by akak1997

I don't think you can sign away your rights.

I believe it's federal law, that prevents an owner of a new vehicle from removing the cats unless they are faulty?

Motorsports_3 · 12-15-2008, 01:59 AM

You should always take off your mods before going in for anything, and try to fight it. By law they can not void your warrenty. They must prove that the issue at hand is caused by your mods. It will be an ugly fight, but I would make the fight.

Mad Dragon · 12-15-2008, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rcracer_tx

Unless the parts are the reason for a failure, they cannot void the warranty for repair.

The MAP manipulation code is specifically designed to be set when aftermarket "tuners" are installed, so the failure was caused by his parts.

He removed federally mandated emissions control equipment and altered the engines operation parameters beyond what the car was designed for,what did you expect to happen?:iono:

RedGT3 · 12-15-2008, 07:36 AM

To the OP I had the same problem with my car SES light with ½ engine light at cruise. I took my JB3 out and went to the dealer. They found that car had a cylinder 2 misfire code. The tech started trouble shooting by swapping the sparkplugs, coil, and fuel injector with a different cylinder (one at a time) by doing this he isolated the issue to a bad fuel injector.(the code move to the other cylinder) Since your warranty is gone you may want to try this. Goodluck.

ZIPNBYE · 12-15-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ML

Read the fine print on Dinan's warranty. Even they would deny a warranty claim on a car that had been modified with non-Dinan parts in addition to their tune.

No sh!t...I was asking a comparison between the two companies, not if one (Dinan) would warranty another (Riss).

davemohan · 12-15-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorsports_3

You should always take off your mods before going in for anything, and try to fight it. By law they can not void your warranty. They must prove that the issue at hand is caused by your mods. It will be an ugly fight, but I would make the fight.

This always works, because there is NO WAY that the SA will notice the dinged fasteners, scratched surfaces, re-installed hose clamps, bent pins, taped wires, or any of the other dozens of signs that you did major work then removed it. I know, you are such an expert mechanic and have such a deft touch that you leave no traces that you were ever there. (Tampering is just cause for denying warranty claims in any legal forum.)

And they have to PROVE it! There is a free review board that will back you up on this! (Oh, there isn't?) And we are talking absolute scientific proof, not just that legal "beyond a reasonable doubt" crap! (What, this IS a legal issue?) Well, at least I'm sure arbitration is free! And I am certain that an attorney will take up your "ugly fight" for free.

Bottom line is: Just how much time, effort and money are you willing to throw at this fight? To set a precedent (or to avoid setting one), the manufacturer can throw many times the cost of the repair at legal fees and the like. Can you?

And keep in mind that to most others outside the "modding community" you will have to overcome the impression of a whiner who screwed with the car and doesn't want to pay the consequences. But they do have to PROVE it.

ML · 12-15-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ZIPNBYE

No sh!t...I was asking a comparison between the two companies, not if one (Dinan) would warranty another (Riss).

Nice! Except the fact is that Dinan's warranty goes away if you add other manufactures parts to their tune.

davemohan · 12-15-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ZIPNBYE

Does Riss Racing offer any type of warranty coverage, similar to what Dinan does (they pick up where BMW lets go, due to the mods, all seemless to the owner)?

You desrve a direct answer: No.

jeremyc74 · 12-15-2008, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Dragon

The MAP manipulation code is specifically designed to be set when aftermarket "tuners" are installed, so the failure was caused by his parts.

The code isn't the problem.

You, much like the tech I'm dealing with, aren't listening, or don't want to hear the truth. The problem started BEFORE any mods were installed. The car has been doing this since the break in period was finished and I took it on my first road trip.

Expain to me exactly how the mods I have could cause an issue that can be corrected by filling the fuel tank up?

J-Sud · 12-15-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

The code isn't the problem.

You, much like the tech I'm dealing with, aren't listening, or don't want to hear the truth. The problem started BEFORE any mods were installed. The car has been doing this since the break in period was finished and I took it on my first road trip.

Expain to me exactly how the mods I have could cause an issue that can be corrected by filling the fuel tank up?

i agree man....first time i read it i didnt catch that it was BEFORE the mods.....now it just seems like some BS on BMWs part.

arrutled · 12-15-2008, 10:38 AM

i get low gas level anxiety from this shit

jeremyc74 · 12-15-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Sud

now it just seems like some BS on BMWs part.

Effectively what I've done is given them an excuse to deny any claim that's related to the ECU. The fuel pump and cruise control glitch are both known issues, but I gave them an out and they're using it.

On the bright side, I just filled out the online satisfaction survey

akak1997 · 12-15-2008, 11:29 AM

They should at least fix cruise control glitch. There're no f-ing way that the mods you've could cause that. Furthermore, that glitch is also a known issue that's acknowledge by BMW Germany and fixed it with the software update.

My135 · 12-15-2008, 11:32 AM

This really scare me about moding my 135. Right now, I only have JB3 (still on ordered) which I can easily un-mod before I toke my car in for any warranty repair. The next mod will be the cat-back exhaust system (I am thinking about CPE) and streamline panel air filter. I think I will from here and no more DP, and may be suspension mod the most. Thanks for the head up warning inofrmaiton.

ronnyek · 12-15-2008, 11:34 AM

if sstt somehow was badly wired or caused a short somplace, that coudl affect any electrical system in the car... BMW in my experience is nothing like most cars, where all the systems are different, seems like a lot of the systems are integrated together

Chewyjr15 · 12-15-2008, 12:17 PM

as i said this would have all been avoided by just removing your dp's, and i know what your going to say because you said it already why pay money once a year to uninstall and install your dp's? Well the simple answer is because the 2-4 hundred bucks you spend on that could save you thousands down the line if you retain your warranty and something actually goes wrong. I hear you and understand that you had a problem before, and if you really did you should have been more persistant in getting your claim fixed, you should not have a modded a car that had a fuel problem and than expect to take it in modded with no cats, and an o2 sim wired into the ecu and expect bmw to fix your fuel problem.

Terrance28 · 12-15-2008, 12:18 PM

Regardless if you have the mods on the car, they need to replace the hpfp because it is a known problem with the n54 engine. PM randomquickness he had a hpfp problem he brought the car in with catless dps, rr intake, rr dvs, and rr exhaust. They tried to pull the same thing on him, but they ended up replacing it under warranty. Because the hpfp is a known problem and its been going out on stock cars. We did take out his jb3 and 02 sims before he took the car in though, but regardless the hpfp is a faulty design.

jeremyc74 · 12-15-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrance28

Regardless if you have the mods on the car, they need to replace the hpfp because it is a known problem with the n54 engine. PM randomquickness he had a hpfp problem he brought the car in with catless dps, rr intake, rr dvs, and rr exhaust. They tried to pull the same thing on him, but they ended up replacing it under warranty. Because the hpfp is a known problem and its been going out on stock cars. We did take out his jb3 and 02 sims before he took the car in though, but regardless the hpfp is a faulty design.

I read the thread. His service department was pulling for him, and he also didn't have the manipulation code set.

12-15-2008, 12:15 AM	#45
akak1997 Major 63 Rep 1,159 Posts Drives: BMW 135 @ 135mph Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (2) Garage List 2008 135i [0.00]	If you're 90% sure that it's the low pressure fuel pump that's faulty and causes the problem then I'd fight it. It'd be easy for BMW to check that fuel pump and see if it's causing problem (I think). It'd be BS to blame O2 sim and SSTT mod to a low pressure fuel pump failure.
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12-15-2008, 12:22 AM	#46
Riss Racing Banned 276 Rep 2,650 Posts Drives: E60 M5/E92 335/HUMMER H2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Irvine, CA iTrader: (7)	Tunes such as Vishnu, and BMS. Have taken the extra steps to ensure their tunes would not trip this. They also run all these aftermarket bolt ons. This is why I always suggest these tunes, since they are actively engaged in updates and newly released products....
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12-15-2008, 12:25 AM	#47
Pirate Banned 25 Rep 75 Posts Drives: 135i Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Treasure Coast iTrader: (0)	When I took delivery of my 135i, I had to sign a statement that I would not tamper with the stock emissions system.
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12-15-2008, 01:59 AM	#50
Motorsports_3 E30 Addict 38 Rep 590 Posts Drives: 2008 135, 1988 325 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Miami iTrader: (3)	You should always take off your mods before going in for anything, and try to fight it. By law they can not void your warrenty. They must prove that the issue at hand is caused by your mods. It will be an ugly fight, but I would make the fight. __________________ Check out my e30 project! http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthr...6#post11306896
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12-15-2008, 07:36 AM	#52
RedGT3 Major 76 Rep 1,253 Posts Drives: .2 GT3/M3cs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: FL iTrader: (3)	To the OP I had the same problem with my car SES light with ½ engine light at cruise. I took my JB3 out and went to the dealer. They found that car had a cylinder 2 misfire code. The tech started trouble shooting by swapping the sparkplugs, coil, and fuel injector with a different cylinder (one at a time) by doing this he isolated the issue to a bad fuel injector.(the code move to the other cylinder) Since your warranty is gone you may want to try this. Goodluck.
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12-15-2008, 10:38 AM	#59
arrutled Colonel 104 Rep 2,474 Posts Drives: Olsa Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Western Mass iTrader: (0)	i get low gas level anxiety from this shit __________________ AW 135i w/ blackette, performance short shift kit, BMW alarm, Performance rotors, APEX ARC-8 wheels, Direzza Star Spec 235/275, Dinan stage 3 suspension, M3 wishbones/tension rods/front sway/rear subframe bushings and thats all folks!
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12-15-2008, 11:29 AM	#61
akak1997 Major 63 Rep 1,159 Posts Drives: BMW 135 @ 135mph Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (2) Garage List 2008 135i [0.00]	They should at least fix cruise control glitch. There're no f-ing way that the mods you've could cause that. Furthermore, that glitch is also a known issue that's acknowledge by BMW Germany and fixed it with the software update.
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12-15-2008, 11:32 AM	#62
My135 Lieutenant Colonel 85 Rep 1,609 Posts Drives: Join Date: Mar 2008 iTrader: (0)	This really scare me about moding my 135. Right now, I only have JB3 (still on ordered) which I can easily un-mod before I toke my car in for any warranty repair. The next mod will be the cat-back exhaust system (I am thinking about CPE) and streamline panel air filter. I think I will from here and no more DP, and may be suspension mod the most. Thanks for the head up warning inofrmaiton. __________________ 7/08 135 Coupe, Crimson Red, 6 SP, Sport, Taupe Lette/Aluminum. Performance Mods: JB4 on Map 5, BMS DP Fix V3, Injen polished intake, AR Catless DP, Maddad resonated mid-pipes, aFe exhaust polished tips, ST Suspension Coil Over and Hotchkis front sway bar. Others: BMS OCC, BT Scanner, Mud Flap. Next Mods: AA Front Strut Brace.
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12-15-2008, 11:34 AM	#63
ronnyek Captain 23 Rep 682 Posts Drives: 2010 Evo MR Touring Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: space iTrader: (1)	if sstt somehow was badly wired or caused a short somplace, that coudl affect any electrical system in the car... BMW in my experience is nothing like most cars, where all the systems are different, seems like a lot of the systems are integrated together
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12-15-2008, 12:17 PM	#64
Chewyjr15 1 addict and proud! 42 Rep 570 Posts Drives: jb 135 on order Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: irvine, ca iTrader: (0)	as i said this would have all been avoided by just removing your dp's, and i know what your going to say because you said it already why pay money once a year to uninstall and install your dp's? Well the simple answer is because the 2-4 hundred bucks you spend on that could save you thousands down the line if you retain your warranty and something actually goes wrong. I hear you and understand that you had a problem before, and if you really did you should have been more persistant in getting your claim fixed, you should not have a modded a car that had a fuel problem and than expect to take it in modded with no cats, and an o2 sim wired into the ecu and expect bmw to fix your fuel problem.
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12-15-2008, 12:18 PM	#65
Terrance28 Brigadier General 109 Rep 3,334 Posts Drives: Crimson Red E92 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Killeen, TX iTrader: (17)	Regardless if you have the mods on the car, they need to replace the hpfp because it is a known problem with the n54 engine. PM randomquickness he had a hpfp problem he brought the car in with catless dps, rr intake, rr dvs, and rr exhaust. They tried to pull the same thing on him, but they ended up replacing it under warranty. Because the hpfp is a known problem and its been going out on stock cars. We did take out his jb3 and 02 sims before he took the car in though, but regardless the hpfp is a faulty design.
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