|
|
|
11-26-2012, 04:16 AM | #23 | |
Major
111
Rep 1,487
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 05:01 AM | #24 | |
Major
80
Rep 1,283
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 08:47 AM | #25 |
Private First Class
23
Rep 111
Posts |
To be honest the bickering of Helix at Wagner for copying their design and the possibility of Wagner copying Helix put me off both products in the end. I'm sure the Helix is great since it's run by the top tuners, so I'm not doubting performance.
ETS 5" apparently has a not-so-favourable design, which left me with Forge, which was 855 USD (cheapest I could find). Given that better performing coolers that require trimming were available for less, my head nearly exploded and I decided to give up and try to deal with the trimming aspect and got the ER Competition FMIC cause there was a great deal on it (749 USD). I plan to install it over the NY holidays, along with downpipes, RB Turbos and possibly doing other stuff (carbon cleaning for one). I'm gonna be doing all of this myself with the help of my wife and I will try my best to take photos and put up some DIYs in the end. |
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 09:45 AM | #26 | |
Major
111
Rep 1,487
Posts |
Quote:
"Excuse me dear, would you care to pass me the other RB, please?" |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 09:53 AM | #27 | |
European Editor
10532
Rep 22,992
Posts |
Quote:
Manhart Racing GmbH also has a stepped FMIC design. For Helix to make those claims is like them taking credit for a round wheel. Still... I wouldn't let that deter your FMIC decision.
__________________
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 08:33 PM | #28 | |
Major
80
Rep 1,283
Posts |
Quote:
Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 11-27-2012 at 08:48 PM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 09:06 PM | #29 | |
European Editor
10532
Rep 22,992
Posts |
Mannhart's stepped FMIC design...
Quote:
You can see my photos here from Mannhart... (scroll down about half way thru the pics) euro 1Addicts visit Manhart Racing GmbH... http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732251 Mannhart's stepped FMIC with factory connectors... PS: Btw... I have posted these Mannhart FMIC pics many times before. I guess you just have missed them. We visited Mannhart back in August of this year.
__________________
|
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 10:33 PM | #31 |
Collecting dust!
55
Rep 2,009
Posts |
Mannhart stepped inter-cooler came before Helix stepped inter-cooler???? WTF, am I misunderstanding something??
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-27-2012, 10:58 PM | #33 | |
Spoolin' & droolin'
93
Rep 1,229
Posts |
Quote:
That intercooler looks incredible |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 04:55 AM | #34 | |
Major
80
Rep 1,283
Posts |
Quote:
Heres a link all the way back to 2007, where I publically stated the concept for the first time: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72029 My original design drawings date back to December 2006! Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 11-28-2012 at 05:11 AM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 06:01 AM | #35 |
Airborne!
19
Rep 533
Posts |
Being someone that is currently in the market for an FMIC, and having looked into:
ETS Helix Wagner Mannhart Forge ER I have to say that because of the last few posts that Helix isnt on my list anymore. If you came up with the design first, that is fine, but the complete lack of tact and constant condescending tone of your posts makes me not want to buy your product. |
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 09:03 AM | #36 | |
Lieutenant
107
Rep 471
Posts |
Quote:
So what trimming does the Helix require exactly on a 135? |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 09:30 AM | #37 | |
Major
80
Rep 1,283
Posts |
Quote:
Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 11-28-2012 at 10:00 AM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 09:48 AM | #38 |
Major
111
Rep 1,487
Posts |
To whom that first invented the stepped intercooler (whoever you may be - as per debate(s)),
Personally I couldn't care who invented it first just so long as the one I have works and is durable which I have no doubt any of them are anything but. I understand that it must be frustrating seeing rewards being reaped by other manufacturers on the sales of similar products that you first visualised but perhaps: 1) You should have patented the idea if at all possible & 2) Isn't imitation the finest form of flattery? Now, it's down to you to run with the competitors and get COMPETETIVE at shifting your product and be the best! |
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 10:12 AM | #39 | |
Major
80
Rep 1,283
Posts |
Quote:
Last edited by TurboBullett@Ambient Thermal Management; 11-28-2012 at 10:25 AM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 10:19 AM | #40 |
Major
111
Rep 1,487
Posts |
I cannot question the performance of the Helix based on the information I have read, I just wish that over here we had more options for tuning...perhaps Helix UK someday .
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 10:21 AM | #41 | |
208
Rep 1,161
Posts |
Quote:
1) We did obtain a provisional US patent on this item, but when we saw that the copiers were international companies, manufacturing in China, we reluctantly stopped the patenting process because we knew we did not have the horsepower to successfully pursue a patent. The price tag for getting domestic and international patents was upward of $50k, which would just have given us the right to try to stop international copiers. We were advised that getting Chinese companies to comply would be difficult, and easily cost well into the six figures. We are an automotive technology company, not an international litigation company, so that's where we stand. 2) Imitation is a form of flattery, but flattery is not what we want. We want to produce unique, excellent performance parts with enough financial reward that we can spend that money on new parts development. We are currently working on a F-Series cooler, but the expense of development is slowing us down. I would rather be flattered less, and be able to develop this new intercooler. One thing the imitators have not yet copied are some of the features which, in my opinion, make our cooler perform better: bull-nosed bars, both internally and externally, smooth-transitioned cast end tanks with knife edged ferrules, and optimum fin density for greater efficiency. So lucky for us, they've copied, but have not equaled our cooler. We have for years offered a cooler for a controlled, unbiased, side-by-side performance comparison. That offer still stands. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 10:53 AM | #42 | |
Airborne!
19
Rep 533
Posts |
Quote:
Words on the internet are hard to discern exact intent behind, but TTurboBullett comes off condescending and rude in a pushy and combative way. I tend to shy away from company reps that act that way, as do most in the general public. eric@helix's last post made way better points in a very professional manner. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 11:26 AM | #43 | |
Second Lieutenant
31
Rep 297
Posts |
Quote:
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...=483033&page=1 They got bumped from list back then and this thread just reaffirms my decision. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-28-2012, 01:19 PM | #44 |
First Lieutenant
85
Rep 354
Posts |
so lets get VRSF back on topic
seen some good reviews on them anyone rocking them?
__________________
135i N55 / KW V3 / MHD Flash / Tons of grip mods / CP-E charge pipe / CP-E 7" FMIC
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|